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tinymonesters t1_j4xaljc wrote

Reply to comment by zorionek0 in In first act as governor, Josh Shapiro opens Pa. jobs to people without college degrees by OhmyMary

You need less training to get a professional handgun than scissors.

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IrrumaboMalum t1_j4yf9qm wrote

I can go to Walmart and buy scissors right now. No ID. No background check. No training.

To buy a handgun I need to go to a FFL and provide photo ID, fill out a Federal ATF Form 4473, a PSP SP4-113 and get a background check through NICS.

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fusionfarm t1_j4xdmi6 wrote

Last time I looked, there was no background check for scissors.

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KFCConspiracy t1_j4xfskz wrote

Actually, there are. PA requires that you pass a criminal background check to become a professionally licensed barber. https://www.dos.pa.gov/ProfessionalLicensing/BoardsCommissions/BarberExaminers/Documents/Board%20Information/BPOA%20Pathway%20to%20Licensure.pdf

Any felony disqualifies you from becoming a barber. And any misdemeanor that the board deems as related to the profession.

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M3ntallyDiseas3d t1_j4y91ku wrote

And too many barbers and beauticians can’t make a living wage.

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YAISEDDIT t1_j4yls80 wrote

Too many of them can’t give you a good haircut.

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fusionfarm t1_j4xhemq wrote

So there's a job titled as professionally licensed handgun?

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KFCConspiracy t1_j4xi4tp wrote

I'm assuming the person you were responding to is referring to the qualifications to become an armed guard. In PA that requires no training and just requires a background check and a couple of character witnesses.

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John_cCmndhd t1_j4xxj5r wrote

A license to carry just requires a background check and two character witnesses, but you need an additional license to work as an armed guard, which does require a psychological evaluation and at least some training. Probably less than being a barber though: https://www.psp.pa.gov/lethalweapons/Pages/initial_application_for_certification.aspx

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SwissyVictory t1_j4xz7oa wrote

What happens to the charecter witnesses if the person ends up killing someone with the gun?

Otherwise it only stops people who litterally don't have anyone willing to say they should have a gun.

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IrrumaboMalum t1_j4yeyw5 wrote

Nothing.

Why would they be liable for anything?

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SwissyVictory t1_j4yj9je wrote

Then what's the point of a charecter witness.

It only stops people who litterally don't have any friends to ask

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IrrumaboMalum t1_j4ykgbe wrote

A character witness serves no purpose at all. In fact, at least as far as the PA LTCF goes, the authorities are legally not allowed to contact your references.

For the sake of argument...let's go with your idea. Let's say you are a fine and mentally competent individual, and you have to be since part of the Act 235 requirements is a psychological evaluation. You're on the job for years, no issues.

Then one day something happens and you break mentally. You do something stupid.

Should the people who stood as character witnesses for you years ago face repercussions because of a recent and sudden development in your psychological profile that happened long after they vouched for you?

A logical person will say "no."

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SwissyVictory t1_j4ym9ql wrote

I think there shouldn't be a charecter witness at all if there serves no purpose rather than punishing people.

Idk why you think I'd want to punish charecter witnesses, I just think the current system dosent make any sense, which is why I asked why there's charecter witnesses to begin with.

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IrrumaboMalum t1_j4yewrr wrote

False.

ACT 235 does require a particular training course to become an armed guard, which (naturally) you have to pay for out-of-pocket and includes a mandatory live fire training environment to qualify you on whatever type of firearm you wish to carry for work (since many armed guards provide their own arms as well).

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Atrocious_1 t1_j4ytsmi wrote

There are no training requirements for owning a firearm

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