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cpr4life8 OP t1_j4yrep6 wrote
What they did is absolutely despicable and I don't believe that there's a monetary penalty or jail sentence that is harsh enough for the lives that they've ruined.
HeyZuesHChrist t1_j4zfoti wrote
I couldn’t agree more here. I don’t even have words to describe how awful these worthless creatures are.
PinchingNugs t1_j51qvq6 wrote
Had a friend lose 2 years of his childhood to this shit, over chewing tobacco on school grounds. He was with murderers, gangbangers; they were all treated the same, even breathe sideways and youll be concussed for the next 2 weeks.
Kairenne t1_j537bpt wrote
I’m so sorry for your friend.
Kairenne t1_j4yljxy wrote
Are they out of jail? The horrible stories about the poor children.
cpr4life8 OP t1_j4ylrec wrote
The article didn't specify, but it does say that after the scandal was revealed the court threw out 4,000 convictions.
IamSauerKraut t1_j50lv1k wrote
"On January 9, 2018, federal judge Christopher C. Conner
threw out [former Luzerne County Court of Common Pleas judge Mark] Ciavarella's convictions for racketeering, conspiracy to
commit racketeering, and conspiracy to commit money laundering on
appeal. Conner upheld Civarella's contention that his attorneys failed
to raise statute of limitations claims on those charges. He ordered a new trial on those counts, but allowed the honest services fraud convictions to stand.[27]
On January 24, 2020, prosecutors formally notified the court that they
would not seek to retry Ciaverella on these three counts. In response,
Ciavarella's defense attorneys sought a reduction of his prison
sentence, which was rejected."
Michael Conahan was the president judge of the Luzerne County Court of Common Pleas. He was sentenced to serve seventeen-and-a-half years in prison for his part in the "kids for cash" scandal. Due to coronavirus concerns, Conahan was released on a temporary furlough on June 19, 2020, and was last reported to be in home confinement
cpr4life8 OP t1_j519a5k wrote
But of course...different rules for the well connected....
IamSauerKraut t1_j51dd3t wrote
Not sure which rules you refer to here, but if it is that the Judicial Conduct Board of SCOPA dropped the ball... absolutely correct. They totally failed to carry out their duties re Luzerne County Court of Common Pleas. That entire courthouse was rank with corruption b/w 2003 and 2008. Not limited to just those 2.
cpr4life8 OP t1_j51dsyt wrote
I'm referring to the rules of society in general. The wealthy and/or well connected don't face the same consequences we do. Never have, never will.
IamSauerKraut t1_j51f1vg wrote
Ultimately, these 2 cretins received each received long sentences. One remains incarcerated. What consequences did they avoid?
Should they have been investigated earlier by judicial administrators? Absolutely. But they will forever be known as felons and, if there is a God, each will forever live in poverty and shame.
cpr4life8 OP t1_j51mi1v wrote
This. This is what I'm referring to. You think some dude busted for weed would get this kind of treatment? I'm not asking for anything extra-judicial. I'm just asking for people, regardless of wealth or connections, to face the same justice system. https://www.reddit.com/r/Pennsylvania/comments/10fq1pb/judges_who_took_kickbacks_for_sentencing_kids_to/j50lv1k?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share&context=3
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Lawyerdogg t1_j4zckkq wrote
They let one judge out because of covid.
snuffy_tentpeg t1_j507lio wrote
I say if he doesn't have COVID right now, throw the bastard back in the can to serve out the entire sentence....in shackles, short chained to an iron ball.
IamSauerKraut t1_j50kqbc wrote
>They let one of the criminals out because of covid.
He is not deserving of being called "judge."
Kabloosh75 t1_j4yuzek wrote
It's unbelievable for profit jails are even still a thing. If there is one thing that needs to be done away as soon as possible it's this.
pizzapantifa t1_j4zy6ib wrote
Is it really unbelievable though? Like.... really? :\
Zenith2017 t1_j50t6iw wrote
The land of for-profit everything!
pizzapantifa t1_j50vptx wrote
If it can't be monetized, it's not valid. 😎👍
Zenith2017 t1_j50x15h wrote
There's a park canvassing joke here but I'll spare both of us a re-hash, lol. Turns out if we motivate people to make a profit they will do anything to make a profit!
pizzapantifa t1_j529515 wrote
Yet you couldn't help but dredge it up. 😏
Joking aside: Yep yep. That's one of many reasons I believe the stuff I believe.
cpr4life8 OP t1_j519oja wrote
That's why no one is really in a hurry to help the poor and/or homeless. There's no money in it.
Alternative-Flan2869 t1_j4z071d wrote
Wow! Finally! This is what happens when government is “run like a business.” Monkey business at the taxpayers expense.
HeyZuesHChrist t1_j4zft2k wrote
If the people who want our government run like a business got their way they would change their mind immediately. The people who actually say this (not you) have never actually thought about what that means.
TheWorldInMySilence t1_j4zg5qw wrote
It's called illegal, organized crime. How many others doing worse yet not caught? Too, too many in high places.
TheWorldInMySilence t1_j4zg28b wrote
On the backs of the innocent.... he needs to burn in prison forever.
discogeek t1_j4zv5zv wrote
Throw them in a blender full of lemon juice, and then let's all forget they existed and wipe them out of every aspect of the history of humanity forever.
Even 200m isn't enough for all the lives they ruined.
Twinbrosinc t1_j4ztg2g wrote
Hm, i remember watching illuminaughti's vid on this. Good
Lost_Information_607 t1_j4zwnsh wrote
So the judges who have been in prison not working for a decade and have zero money have to pay 200 million? They won’t see anything .
IamSauerKraut t1_j50m3fz wrote
They did not go in poor. They got paid for their part in the scheme. Time to make them disgorge their assets and to live on meager social security benefits.
Atrocious_1 t1_j50o15l wrote
Just start seizing all the assets of family members until it's paid off, just like they do to people who get arrested for dealing
IamSauerKraut t1_j50pv9t wrote
Forfeiture laws have changed.
Atrocious_1 t1_j50x7ex wrote
I think we can make an exception here
Lost_Information_607 t1_j50nted wrote
Im pretty sure their assets were eaten up by the years of legal fees and appeals. Lawyers aren’t cheap at this level. Their wives had to live off of something or took whatever was left in a divorce. Maybe I’m wrong but all this is is a headline. Might as well have said 200 googolplex dollars.
IamSauerKraut t1_j50pqae wrote
It remains a win for those who filed the civil suit. Also applies to future earnings. Wives, or ex-wives, whichever, will have to adjust.
Atrocious_1 t1_j50nj6q wrote
Wonder what happened to management that ran those facilities
ElenorWoods t1_j5102hy wrote
They should pay by going to jail. Ya know, for kickbacks.
wagsman t1_j528y6g wrote
They'll move it offshore and declare bankruptcy. They wont pay shit, and whichever judge buddy is running it will nod and approve.
crazypants9 t1_j51ed19 wrote
They should have been sentenced to life. No parole.
Guntcher1423 t1_j524fmv wrote
And what did the for profit prisons pay? Just curious.
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tinymonesters t1_j50d9ep wrote
I know they say the wheels of justice move slow but holy shit that's slow. Wasn't this like 30 years ago?
IamSauerKraut t1_j50m4vj wrote
No.
tinymonesters t1_j50n389 wrote
Pennsylvania's Judicial Conduct Board received four complaints about Michael Conahan between 2004
Yeah not quite 30 years but not speedy either.
IamSauerKraut t1_j50xun2 wrote
I'm more concerned about the slow-walk the Disciplinary Board took in revoking the law licenses of the Conahan and Ciavarella. They were indicted in January 2009. Both were removed from any judicial activities a week or so later.
Although convicted in 2011, the SCOPA did not disbar Ciavarella until late 2019. He was only temporarily suspended in 2012. Typically, an attorney convicted of DUI will lose the license in less than a year after conviction. Ciavarella was allowed to resign - with no mention of the conviction in the Order! - upon submission in August of 2019. The delay appears to be the result of his numerous appeals of the conviction. https://law.justia.com/cases/pennsylvania/disciplinary-board/2019/no-1843-disciplinary-docket-no-3.html
Conahan resigned from full-time duties in Jan 2008, thereafter becoming a senior judge (essentially part-time). He initially plead guilty to the indictment, withdrew the plea, only to later again plea guilty. He was sentenced in September 2011 to a country club facility in Florida.
The criminal cases were based on the corrupt acts of Conahan and Ciavarella during the 2003 to 2008 time period. Because of Ciavarella's playing of the system (guilty plea early withdrawn later, then trial, then numerous appeals over the course of nearly a decade), the civil cases were hampered, indeed stalled due to the uncertainty in Ciaveralla's case. Most of his convictions were tossed.
A long slog of a mess, to be sure, but the delayed outcomes are exactly as they should be. No one will miss those 2 once they are gone.
One interesting thing about the case pertains to retaining parts of the files of the juveniles affected. With the conclusion of the civil cases, I hope these files become shredded into dust. https://web.archive.org/web/20110531135345/http://www.aopc.org/OpPosting/Supreme/out/81mm2008FinalReport.pdf (2nd full para on p. 3)
tinymonesters t1_j50y5xu wrote
The more you know about this the worse it gets. Disgusting.
JesusOfBeer t1_j537csf wrote
Home confinement!?
That’s ludicrous… the streets demand justice!
Let the streets runneth with the blood of justice!
rjb5065 t1_j517xyf wrote
They should get the death penalty
Kairenne t1_j4yr693 wrote
I remember when that happened. Children’s lives were ruined. Some children committed suicide. They are probably out of jail by now. They should rot in hell.