You sound angry. No wonder people leaving you alone.

If you were taking a math test and the question was "2+2=?" and you kept putting 4 but then being told you're wrong but without anyone caring to say anything about why they feel you are wrong..... yeah, I think you'd feel a little angry, too.

I'm just looking to discuss things, sensibly. Every time I post a comment asking something basic or trying to show a simple point, it gets downvoted (and some have been straight up removed by mods, because I guess words cause physical pain...) but no one cares to comment and challenge my position. It seems to reinforce my feeling that I am right in my position if no one is capable of reasonably refuting it, you know? If we chat and come to this point where we can't agree and that's all there is to it, that's one thing. But if you hear a challenge to your position, downvote it angrily and move on.... who is the angry one, really?

Do you think you might have a persecution complex?

I'm sorry you feel that way. Peace be with you. Bye now.

What is the point you were trying to make? If 2+2=4 is your version of “if a person was born with a dick, then they are a MAN”?

Then you’re pretty much a twatwaffle who is outraged over something that really has no affect in your life.

Hey man.... I'm just a little perturbed. I saw something that stood out to me as an example of hypocrisy by the leftwing, so I tried to demonstrate exactly why I felt that way. I don't like when people basically look at something and go, "That's dumb," without telling me why they feel that way about something I feel differently about. I'm not saying it isn't your right to just dismiss whatever it is and walk away with, "That's dumb." If that's what you want to do, so be it, but then yeah, I'm going to get a little bit irritated that no one is conversing with me rather than just dismissing me. In many circles, outright dismissal (especially with negative feedback such as a simple Reddit downvote) is considered rude. Why does it surprise anyone to see me get a little heated when it seems people are being rude? Because I challenged your political position?

But yeah, so I tried to demonstrate my point as best I knew how (dripping with sarcasm), and not a single person there for a while wanted to do anything but just dismiss. I did react badly, but my reaction came after I had comments removed for seemingly no reason than strong language - the same strong language that came at me, so I thought it was acceptable.... I did post a meme to ask the same question, and that post disappeared from the sub, so I can only imagine it was moderator action.

Oh well, I was just here to discuss some politics and it sure seems I have caused some anger by simply challenging viewpoints. What a shame. I'm in no need of an online therapist though, so.....

Cry about it.

I’m a Moderate and I can attest that it’s true, which is disappointing. Healthy debate is how mind’s are strengthened and changed with new information. The interesting thing is that I would’ve considered myself a hard-Left Progressive at one point; I wanted Dennis Kucinich for President and I protested Enron and their phony price hikes. Let me digress; being a fan of George Carlin, never in my wildest idea that he’d be correct about today’s society. In short, the party left me, and thousands of others, without representation. Is there any way to reach a middle ground?

Ah yes, the guy trying to claim that no one could oppose the Republicans using child sex abuse to force through their legislative workarounds to impose abortion and voting restrictions because the Democrats suck too.

Goodbye and good riddance.

That’s dumb

I mean, it’s Reddit and it’s certainly a bit lefty in general, but the way you wrote this makes me wonder if it was more about thoughtful conversation about PA, or more about ‘owning the libs’ / trolling?

I thought it was Reagan who said the Democratic party left him.

https://www.goodreads.com/quotes/837554-i-didn-t-leave-the-democratic-party-the-democratic-party-left

This isn’t about you being victimized. You’ve been trolling.

It isn’t necessarily true that the comment removal came from the mods. It may have been Crowd Control or the reddit site-wide bots.

1. https://www.reddit.com/r/Pennsylvania/comments/10ivzjc/comment/j5jwaij/

2. https://www.reddit.com/r/Pennsylvania/comments/10ivzjc/comment/j5k42va/

> Let's converse. I'll try to be nice but you have to accept big-people words - I'm not in your safe zone!

Hmmm.....what gave him away? He comes off as a Steven Crowder wannabe.

Reagan is a Moderate compared to these MAGA loons. Yes, I do believe he said that.

I assume you are an adult.

It’s not society’s or other people job to educate you every time you are wrong. Every. Single. Time. Some might consider that a handout of information, would that change your stance?

Maybe, before you formulate an opinion you should look at the points and facts from the other perspectives and sources instead of getting your view points and “facts” through a sad game of opinion telephone so by the time you hear the information it’s the shell of a zombie. Challenging viewpoints is not just regurgitating the first illogical thing that pops into your head.

Listen snowflake, I don’t know what makes you feel so entitled to other people having to answer and entertain your questions and then throw a temper tantrum when you get ignored.

Also, there is nothing wrong with online therapy or therapy in general. It would probably be useful in address your inflated sense of self purpose and toxic masculinity

In this boat with you. Grab a paddle.

Please to meet you! If you would like to discuss anything in a civil manner, I’m all up for learning. I need more positivity in my life.

It understanding that based on different people’s upbringing and experiences they would different stances on many issues, right?

The question I have is whether or not you are open to also having your views change?

I can freely admit I am not an expert on all subjects and while I may have opinions and reasons for certain views, they may not be correct when viewed through certain lenses.

I can’t imagine you have the answers to everything.

This isn't an airport. You don't announce your departure here.

Also, cry harder dude. You do nothing but whine and complain.

You could rewrite that and it's quite obvious what the issue is...

"I made a post attempting to pick fights on a political basis and it was removed!?!?"

This is a Pennsylvania sub, not a place for you to get your partisan dopamine rush. Yes, politics are inevitably going to creep into most discussions, but that's no reason to start that horse shit right out of the gate.

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>but you have to accept big-people words - I'm not in your safe zone!

You clearly have zero interest in conversing with anyone in good faith. You just want to pick fights and spew insults.

No one who is a moderate would be egging on a partisan douche opening a chat with things like:

>but you have to accept big-people words - I'm not in your safe zone!

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You're defending a troll who is clearly not here in good faith. I'm an actual "moderate" who has voted for plenty of Republicans in my life and can't stand Kucinich then or now... and I call BS when I see it. Until the GOP comes back from orbit and dumps all this Trumpist/MAGA nonsense, voting with Dems on some issues is the moderate position... as reasonable people like Tom Ridge and Liz Cheney have reminded us (never thought I'd call a Cheney reasonable, but relatively speaking, here we are).

When did I claim that "no one can oppose" the GOP being asinine? I pointed out that both parties pad legislation with partisan pet projects. I didn't say no one could be outraged at the GOP for doing it; I merely meant to say it's hypocritical, at best, to fault one party and not the other when they do the same thing. Make sense? It's so common, it has varying terms. See: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Earmark_(politics) or https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pork_barrel

Okay, thanks for the valuable perspective! I'm sorry you feel that way. If you ever care to have an actual talk with me, hit me up. Otherwise, take your BS and piss off :)

It's absolutely not society's job. I am not setting up a "Come have a political fight with me" booth at your local mall. I came to a place, Reddit, that is intended for discussion, and within that place, I came to a specific place that is designed for discussion about something specific - Pennsylvania. Now, within this Pennsylvania subreddit, you often find political posts as well as photos of scenery and things like that. When I saw a political post and saw, within that political post on this Pennsylvania-dedicated forum, what seemed to be hypocrisy... I called it out. Now, I thought it seemed like a reasonable conclusion, if you will, that, being in this publicly accessible forum called Reddit, and on this specific Pennsylvania Subreddit, and specifically further on a political post.... I could expect someone to engage in a little bit of discussion about the subject. Instead, I got dismissal, and it seemed rather asinine, to me, that the liberally slanted political things always have a fair amount of upvotes and generate lots of burning torches and pitchfork-waving in the comments. For example, the post about the SUV selling loads of unvaccinated sperm had people all enraged over what the Op put in the title - Pennsyltuckyians (or however he spelled it). So, I just pointed out that it's not just your local-yocal hillbilly redneck Trump-hatter fellow that does dumb shit like put ridiculous bumper stickers on their vehicle. When most people look at a crowd of women with pink vagina hats on, it seems just as silly of a display as that bumper sticker. It's called perspective. You folks need it, badly. You do not ever consider a perspective that is not your own and by God, you sure are proud of your ignorance.

I have absolutely no idea in hell what you're on about with this game of opinion telephone, my man. I didn't formulate an opinions based on a game of telephone. If you point me to something specific I said instead of gesturing vaguely at the shadows, maybe I can help clarify.

Listen, snowflake, I don't know if you felt better calling me a snowflake and ranting about my temper tantrum, but I sure hope you did. Thanks for wasting your time to reply, I'm glad I've taken the time out of your day so you could express your rage lol

Lol those are two comments.... the others were removed, my man.... And the post I made that was removed from the sub, I just deleted off my profile anyway. Not worth it. But okay. Thanks for the reply, at least you tried.

I think I will, and then I'mma buy some stock in Kleenex. Does that sound like a reasonable plan to you?

Yeah I’m not reading that.

Why does everything have to come down to owning someone? I wanted to participate in DISCUSSION! I put my thoughts out there in reply to someone else's thoughts. As I said just now in another comment - we are on a public forum called Reddit in a sub-forum/subreddit dedicated to discussion of Pennsylvania, and on that sub, I had commented on a political post. I very much wanted to talk about it. I don't grasp the reasoning behind being irate about the GOP padding legislation, or some MAGA dude having an idiotic bumper sticker, or whatever, when we all know damn well liberals/Democrats do it too! So I made the comments, and yes, I hoped someone would reply substantively to discuss the subject. Would I make them see things my way, miraculously? Probably not. Would they make me see things their way, just as miraculously? Probably not. I'm just looking to discuss with the ends of understanding the opposing viewpoints. I'm sorry you saw it as me having an urge to just mega pwnzr those libtards who durka jerbs or whatever you think of me. Have a nice day!

Thanks for the reply! I'm glad I twisted up your panties so much you had to waste 3 seconds of your day replying to me uselessly.

Thank you for the most reasonable reply in this thread. Peace to you as well. Thanks for the kind words.

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I made a post attempting to pick a fight...... politics are "inevitably going to creep into most discussions...." okay...... "but that's no reason to start that horse shit right out of the gate." My brother in Christ, this started because of comments on a post someone else made first that was entitled with the word "Pennsyltuckian" with a bumper sticker about vaccinations. And you're accusing me of coming out of the starting gate with political horse shit? I just don't want to straw man you before I say how absolutely asinine that position would be.

I appreciate how rational your reply is; thank you for that.

The very fact that other people have those different stances on many issues is exactly why I came here in hopes of a discussion in the first place. I'm being told, pretty firmly on this post, that I'm the bad guy, but this started when I replied to a political post trying to make a point that both sides do silly shit. I absolutely do not want to re-hash those issues with you in this particular discussion, but suffice to point out that political post quite obviously leaned politically left - most "politically right" folks don't refer to people as "Pennsyltuckians" right? - and got a lot of positive feedback. Lots of support in the form of upvotes and comments generally bashing the MAGA dude for his bumper sticker. Many very original cracks about pretending the guy was buying not selling. So, I go on that post and make a comment suggesting some moderation (I pointed out that both sides can be shown to see the other as doing absolutely asinine things), and I get lots of quite obvious negative feedback, right away. Which is fine - I don't mind the downvotes, you know, it's Reddit. I think this post and my replies on it are proof positive I'm not here for the karma. But why wasn't anyone willing to reply and have a conversation with me? Perhaps they assumed that I would not change my views, yet they proved first that they would not change theirs by not even engaging in a discussion.

And you know what? I admit I am not an expert on all subjects, either, nor did I ever claim to be. But for things on which I am not an expert, I must form a reasonable viewpoint. I must attempt an understanding, at some level, such that I can make a decision. I am not an expert on CO2 emissions, yet I can understand what I have read about global warming, and I understand that clear facts indicate we have accelerated global warming with our human emissions. But you muddy the waters when you suggest that "while [you or I] may have opinions and reasons for certain views, they may not be correct..." Ah, but what is an opinion...? Can an opinion be "correct," as a fact can be? I guess I'm not sure I follow you in the transition from an opinion to a determination of "correctness."

No, I absolutely do not have the answers to everything. That's what I love about discussion. I was in the Navy quite a few years back now. One of the things I miss the most about my time in the military was how, no matter where I was.... if I was on shore at my home command, in the office, or if I was underway on a ship I was not a part of the main crew but merely a guest rider... it didn't matter where I was.... even members of other branches (I worked in one work center with Coasties, Airmen (both US and Canadian), Soldiers, and Marines).... we could always have discussions about shit. Sometimes you would hit someone with a bad temper (myself included), sometimes you'd hit someone who liked to drop F-bombs more than the rest of us combined..... But we could talk politics and philosophy and shit. And you know what I know you're already typing your reply, "This isn't the Navy dumbass!" And you're right. But, as I have said several times now, I didn't go out on the street and start begging random people to talk to me. I went to a political post on a subreddit dedicated to my state on a public forum website. I hoped for discussion and I got shut down by the echo chamber, up until I made this post, anyway lol

>but you have to accept big-people words - I'm not in your safe zone!

What I meant by "accept big-people words" is to be able to have a conversation that might well involve a phrase such as, "Holy fuck that's dumb," so long as it's not just that but is followed with some logic and reasoning to support why the person saying that feels that way. Specifically, I meant not reacting exactly like you are to words. If you think I'm a troll based on the multiple substantive replies I've made now, I'm sorry you're incapable of being an adult.

If you want to dump the BS and have a real conversation, hit me up, but otherwise, I'm just glad I made you so angry you pissed away.... what... 5-10 seconds of your day ranting about Trumpists on my post lmao

Okay, kiddo. Well, I'm blocking you, because you're obviously not here in good faith lol I at least did you the courtesy of reading your BS and formulating an substantive reply to it. But you obviously have better things to do, so hopefully by blocking you, you'll not be distracted from those things.

I mean, is it a common practice? Yes, it's fairly common at least. Is this a particularly egregious and disgusting instance of the practice? I'd say yes to that as well.

But yes you are technically right to say both parties do it.

I mean, if, from your perspective, this particular example seems like a "particularly egregious and disgusting instance of the practice," can you understand that your political opposition has looked at other examples (I won't try to name a specific because then we risk getting into a pissing contest over which one is really worse from whose perspective, and I'm just talking about the concept here) and felt that some examples of the Democrat Party doing it were equally "egregious and disgusting instance[s] of the practice" from their perspective?

I think my point is ultimately about perspective. When Reddit is lighting torches and waving pitchforks about the GOP doing some ridiculous shit, some example can generally be readily provided of the other side doing ridiculous shit. But Reddit dismisses that viewpoint because they see it as something ridiculous, rather than as the viewpoint of another person.

My guy, I'm not the one crying so hard he went and created a new subreddit.

Also, I was one of those who reported and got your shit removed. To Quote Olenna Tyrell: "I want her to know it was me."

Good for you, Olenna! Thanks for playing!

Lol, cry harder.

I think I will, and then I'mma buy even more stock in Kleenex. Does that sound like a reasonable plan to you?

❄️❄️Keep crying. ❄️❄️

> I'm just glad I made you so angry you pissed away.... what... 5-10 seconds of your day ranting about Trumpists on my post lmao

You're just continuing to prove the point that you want to argue, not have any sort of genuine discussion.

If you actually want to engage with people, and not just humor yourself, I strongly suggest you revaluate your approach.

You're going to attract what you put out. You've already shown me, without any doubt, that you are not someone worth engaging with through this medium.

It’s a valid point you make. I couldn’t care either way of you were in the navy other than to say thanks for your time spent there.

The reason I like to use opinion is simply that using the word fact means right or wrong, my way of no way. Is a cloudless sky blue yes, that’s factually correct.

In politics, there are very few facts. In science there is theory, but very little fact or Law as those nerds call it. Both scientific theory and politics evolve over time.

To be honest, I lean liberal, but I also don’t want the whole world thinking like I do. It’d be a god awful boring place. I appreciate other people’s views.

So if there’s something you want to chat about, I’m all ears.