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degggendorf t1_j6tq6o9 wrote

Reply to comment by [deleted] in Man claims self-defense in Providence landlord homicide by Rogue-Island-Pirate

> He was not the tenant and had no legal right to be there.

Is anyone saying that the tenant didn't want him in the apartment? Otherwise, I'm pretty sure you're allowed to have guests over to your apartment.

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lecreusetpopcorn t1_j6vnmwi wrote

In most leases, you are required to notify your landlord of any occupant over the age of 18 who stays in your apartment for more than 8-ish days (I say “-ish” because every state is different). That doesn’t mean tenants do, but the rule is in the lease for these, and other similar situations. For example: one person (leaseholder) rents a unit (likely because the “occupant” wouldn’t qualify due to their credit, income, criminal background, etc.) and they (the leaseholder) either never move in, or are only in the unit sporadically and the occupant, (not technically a leaseholder and therefore not technically bound by the terms of the lease) is the main resident. Based only on my personal experience, these situations are usually a mess, and almost always end in damage (not only to the unit they occupy but others as well), violence or threats of violence, and an unbelievable waste of resources for a landlord/property management teams (who aren’t the ‘bad guy’ landlord). Are there times when it works out, sure. But more often than not, it ends in the courts, sometimes for years, which is an additional waste of resources.

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lecreusetpopcorn t1_j6vosaq wrote

Even if the tenant wanted him there, he’s an unauthorized occupant.

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Dopey-NipNips t1_j6wcem6 wrote

A landlord isn't allowed to force an unauthorized occupant into the street at gunpoint though

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lecreusetpopcorn t1_j6wm5gm wrote

I never said they were.

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Dopey-NipNips t1_j6wmf9t wrote

So what's the point of your comment

It makes absolutely no legal or moral difference if the landlord didn't authorize his occupancy of this apartment.

You have to legally evict an unauthorized occupant

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lecreusetpopcorn t1_j6wrtpt wrote

The point of my comment was to answer the above question “is anyone saying the tenant didn’t want him in the apartment… you’re allowed to have guests over to you’re apartment.”

You are allowed to have guests. You’re not allowed to have unauthorized occupants. Whether the leaseholder wanted him there is irrelevant.

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sandsonik t1_j6tvnaq wrote

If he was a "guest", where was his host?

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degggendorf t1_j6tx9gs wrote

I don't know.

You are allowed to leave your apartment when there's someone else there anyway. There's no buddy system law as far as I know.

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sandsonik t1_j6untjz wrote

The article said the renter named in the lease no longer lived there. He moved.

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[deleted] t1_j6tqk33 wrote

Most leases place specific restrictions on long-term subleasing “guests.”

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degggendorf t1_j6tt4so wrote

And you read this lease to be able to so definitively say he "had no legal right to be there"?

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[deleted] t1_j6turzs wrote

I’m going to go out on a limb and say that if he wasn’t the leaseholder/tenant, and was inhabiting the unit after the tenant abandoned it (as the article suggests), the balance of evidence suggests he probably was squatting or trespassing.

Of course, there’s always the possibility that this is the rare exception, but it’s a rare exception for a reason.

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degggendorf t1_j6txfuk wrote

The language you use in this comment seems to more accurately convey speculation, as opposed to how you initially phrased it.

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[deleted] t1_j6txjks wrote

I generally apply Occam’s Razor to most situations. It has rarely failed to deliver.

One of the more annoying responses to common sense observations is endless demands for citations… from folks who never cite anything themselves.

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degggendorf t1_j6u6zf9 wrote

Yeah it must be annoying not being able to just say whatever you want without regard for its accuracy

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[deleted] t1_j6u7b7k wrote

Well gosh, it’s equally pleasing to have you there to parse my every word to impute meaning that wasn’t communicated! So I’m doubly lucky!

Such guardians of “accuracy” truly improve society 😁

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StreetStatistician t1_j6v3hfd wrote

>Occam’s Razor

The most simple and common scenario would be assuming he was just the guest of the tenet, not some bizarre scenario you've concocted.

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