buddhamanjpb t1_iun4byv wrote
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We got here from a more than two decades long campaign of misinformation that started at Fox News and then evolved into what we see today from internet echo chambers.
Never underestimate the power of stupid people in large numbers.
commandantskip t1_iup9kf8 wrote
I would argue that it goes further back than Fox News. You can see conservatives in the immediate aftermath of the Civil Rights era sowing the seeds of the current party in the Southern Strategy - appealing to voters in that region through dog-whistle appeals to racism, sexism, and Christian nationalism. It's as if each decade has doubled down on the Southern Strategy since it's implementation in the mid-1960s.
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bluehat9 t1_iunb9lp wrote
Where do the young people go??
Which policies in ri are causing all those dang problems and do they not exist in states with republican leadership?
southofthetower t1_iunbwty wrote
RI retention rate is less that 30% for the college educated. they go where there are jobs and favorable tax rates.
When is the last time you tried to start a business here?
invadrzim t1_iuobw5q wrote
They’re going to mass, which is even more blue
CoffeeMilkTA t1_iuovbgl wrote
Can confirm. I grew up in LC and moved to Mass.
argument_sketch t1_iunnkf1 wrote
Florida takes $51 billion more from the federal government then they make in taxes. New York gives the federal government $22 billion more than they taken in taxes.
Red States have lower taxes because they are welfare states.
bluehat9 t1_iunc4re wrote
Where do they go, specifically? I guess what I should be asking is, which republican controlled places are all of the young people going? The jobs must be in republican controlled places?
2ndbeachluv t1_iunfasc wrote
florida and texas. more jobs and better taxes.
Good-Expression-4433 t1_iunhi5i wrote
The total tax rate for lower and middle class individuals is actually lower in California than in Texas. California just taxes the top 1% far more than Texas does.
Beebeeleen t1_iunjta6 wrote
California ranks bad on taxes.
Good-Expression-4433 t1_iunmdbe wrote
Because that's looking strictly at the top end of the individual rates. Lower and middle class total taxes, when you start adding in the tax burden from the combination of all taxes paid in a given year, ends up being lower. The "average" gets skewed because CA hits their top end massively harder than states like Texas and Florida, thus pushing the average higher than it is for most of the actual citizens.
Young people are leaving RI but it's not for their individual tax burdens.
Beebeeleen t1_iuno5n1 wrote
Yes, you have been right about personal income tax... I will not comment about Rhode Island since this state's taxes hold no bearing on taxes in California.
If we focused exclusively in personal income taxes then California's tax system would appeal to most people outside of business owners, corporations, and the rich.
But the government (federal and state) taxes more than income. Taxes can involve sales, property, and other things.
As a whole, California does not rank very well.
https://calbudgetcenter.org/resources/californias-tax-revenue-system-isnt-fair-for-all/
In the link above, the writers feel some tax rates are great (such as personal income, since the writers say it is progressive) but others are bad (such as sales taxes since the writers claim it unfairly hurts poor and working class people).
I was raised in California. I never met anyone who liked the tax system there. Whether poor, working poor, middle class or wealthy, someone has a gripe with the tax system. The links kinda show how people with different political views can view the same system as good and bad for very different reasons.
bluehat9 t1_iuo574a wrote
Does anyone like any tax system anywhere?
Beebeeleen t1_iupjfdm wrote
Not all taxes systems are equal. People HATE California's tax system. Contrary to Good-Expression's claim about the taxes being lower, California has a notoriously bad tax system that negatively impacts more than the wealthy. Plenty of people seek to leave the state because of the system.
I lived in the midwest (specifically, Michigan). The tax system was not as bad. I can say that we felt a change here in RI (sales tax is pretty bad here).
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bluehat9 t1_iunm3z5 wrote
I see you are a different person. Why not move to one of those states if they are so much better? Why do you live here?
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bluehat9 t1_iunx16i wrote
You don’t like the beaches in florida?
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bluehat9 t1_iunzz4u wrote
I mean there must be some things you like about it here to want to maintain a property and pay the taxes that you do?
I realize that it’s hard to grasp, but the taxes pay for things. So while you claim Florida as residency (and I hope you live there for the required number of days every year), the rest of us are paying for the public services that you use while you’re here. Your property taxes on your beach house cover some, but you aren’t a full contributor since you presumably pay no income tax to the state.
bluehat9 t1_iuo61uq wrote
It’s even more interesting that you’re a person fresh in the labor force? So you’ve only been working for a year or less, moved from a big city back home to RI? And now you’re talking about how much better the jobs are in Florida and Texas. But you don’t want to go work in either of those states? Do you have a job here or do your parents take care of the bills and the multiple houses? Did Boston not work out?
bluehat9 t1_iunf5ut wrote
You’re posting a lot but I guess don’t have an answer?
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