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March_Latter t1_iw2iug2 wrote

I have seen a huge amount of Ebikes on the East Bay bike path. I think its being allowed due to it being green.

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jstockdi t1_iw2jync wrote

Probably easier and cheaper to just make an official looking sign and post it.

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the_falconator t1_iw2kvag wrote

You can't, the state passed a law allowing ebikes on bike paths.

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td0g10 t1_iw2m8a8 wrote

Thanks for letting me know about the E bikes situation. I just read that it is based on each area. They are allowed by default.

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wyldweasil t1_iw2ndpn wrote

Actually there are signs saying no motorized vehicles, one by the parking lot by Manville dam. Just remember, signs mean nothing if there's no enforcement

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Nevvermind183 t1_iw2nw1u wrote

E-bikes are legally allowed on bike paths.

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Double_Farmer_2662 t1_iw2pnfi wrote

Most ebike assist cut out at 25mph, which is slower than some people ride a regular bike on the path. And the most people I see riding ebikes are either old, or just casually cruising. They definitely belong on the path, along with even escooters. I don’t necessarily agree with gas powered bikes on the path, but if they are riding safely, then I guess that’s okay. I think if the bike path as the highway for non cars. A lot of people use it to commute because it’s safer, so I can’t blame them for using an ebike on the path instead of the road.

To be fair, I see a lot of people doing dangerous risky stuff walking, running, and riding. Not looking, letting dogs go on long leashes, swearing randomly, not moving over, etc. I’ve been almost bitten by a dog because “they aren’t used to roller blades.” Okay well maybe don’t bring your dog then??

Unfortunately bike paths with be hard to regulate, but I think everyone can benefit from just better awareness and courtesy for everyone.

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brick1972 t1_iw2t7wt wrote

There is a whole giant thing about how ebikes are making life worse not better for cyclists because of the top speeds and encouraging a preponderance of idiots who know nothing about how to handle a bike. I know the usual pedestrian and car crowds would say that is all cyclists but there is often a real difference.

I put ebikes in the same category as the motorized scooters. They straddle two types of transportation and our infrastructure is not really designed to accommodate them well, and the only real way to resolve it is to give a lot less room to cars, but that will literally never happen until I guess there are flying cars and only the poor people will be at street level anyway or whatever.

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Cash50911 t1_iw2tzc5 wrote

Replying to UncleJimmee (#510,152)

Even small gas engines on a bike are considered non-motorized, I can't remember the exact engine size.... Many people who have lost a license due to a DUI will use a bike with a motor.

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VerticalTwin t1_iw2xevy wrote

Replying to Double_Farmer_2662 (#510,087)

As a bike commuter you are incorrect about speed. My top speed with all my work gear is 11mph on the flat, I have not seen an ebike get passed by a regular bike. I have been passed by a scooter that was moving 2x my speed. I think speed is the issue,and this includes the tour de france guys. We need to share the path, and make way for slower individuals like kids,strollers,walkers etc. It's not a highway

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Double_Farmer_2662 t1_iw2yakd wrote

Replying to VerticalTwin (#510,548)

I have literally passed ebikes on my bike, so you can’t say that it doesn’t happen. Not all ebikes are going 25. Yes my whole point was that it’s not an ebike problem. There’s always going to be people going to fast, or passing people unsafely. I’ve seen rollerbladers pass people carelessly. It’s about using the path safely and knowing the path is for everyone

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Fine_Ad_4206 t1_iw2yuvs wrote

It’s a BIKE path they have priority over feet lol

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Double_Farmer_2662 t1_iw31msj wrote

Replying to VerticalTwin (#510,548)

Not all ebikes look like the chunky spin bikes, there are a ton of them, especially in the summer time, near warren and bristol that people are renting to use to stroll down to the beach, visit shops and restaurants. Those are still electric assist, and the people are usually going like maybe 8mph.

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HighPlainsDrifting t1_iw37of7 wrote

Weapons grade Karen material trying to get bikes banned from bike paths lol

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-steeltoad- t1_iw3953n wrote

You do realize that people can and do drive fast and reckless on conventional bikes

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Opticalpopsicle1074 t1_iw3a407 wrote

I take issue with this. My boyfriend has an e-bike because he is disabled and an amputee that’s the only bike he can have, otherwise I ride alone and can’t have him with me just because he can’t ride a regular bike? I don’t think so. He’s not running anyone over, we are not very fast. We are not setting any speed records, just trying to get some exercise and fresh air. On the other hand some regular non-electric bikes have people going like a million mph, training for the Tour De France especially in Western Coventry where there’s not many stops.

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FoleyisGood t1_iw3dmza wrote

Replying to -steeltoad- (#511,258)

doesn't sound at all like what he is saying. i think he is saying the people on motorized bikes are driving too fast and too dangerous on the bike path. I agree. But "regular" cyclists also ride too fast and too dangerous on the path. Last week some man-child screamed at me and someone else because he had to slow down to pass us, and we weren't even in the way.

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Aeronaute t1_iw3oryi wrote

e-bikes are accessability aids, and legally that same as bikes in most places. Campaign against unsafe riding styles, regardless of propulsion, and leave the e-bikes alone.

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Left_Recognition7043 t1_iw3ou03 wrote

Yea my buddy’s ebike is a surron and he can go over 55 in it and it by law is entirely legal to ride unlicensed anywhere. He can beat my 2 stroke 125sx ktm in certain areas. So just because it’s an “ebike” doesn’t mean it’s not just as dangerous as someone riding a dirt bike or motorcycle on the path.

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saucyB52 t1_iw3seal wrote

im reminded of that simpsons episode where Homer goes crazy with getting road signs installed all over the place, and after its all said n done theres nothing but road signs for as far as the eye cansee

im sure a dude on a motorcycle riding the bike path will get a little thrill knowwing he had a hand in getting a sign in his honor as he wheelies past it

no more signs

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huron9000 t1_iw4azym wrote

E-bikes and e-scooters should be allowed on bike paths. These small motorized vehicles are no more prone to reckless operation than their non-motorized equivalents.

Motorization is not the issue. Speed and recklessness are. By far the most dangerous thing I’ve seen on the east bay bike path has been the road bike racers hauling through at pretty high speed.

The original post comes off as a puritanical complaint, as if the OP is just mad that some people are moving apparently without exercising their bodies enough.

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sailri t1_iw4ijqn wrote

Replying to VerticalTwin (#510,548)

Tour de France guys, which is sexist, would be over 30. If you’re doing 11 and think a bike on a bike path doing say 22 is a problem to solve then you are the problem.

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sailri t1_iw4jppf wrote

Replying to huron9000 (#513,077)

Not true at all. The problem is walkers think that they should not have to pay attention to the normal speed of traffic, as if the speed limit, of which there is none, should be adjusted downward for their piece of mind.

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wyldweasil t1_iw4l10o wrote

Replying to sailri (#513,521)

Neither would enforce. You'd call the cops and what they'd be there like 20-30 minutes after seeing the guy on a motorcycle riding up the path? RIDOT would care even less

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huron9000 t1_iw55ivx wrote

Replying to sailri (#513,581)

What’s not true? I agree that walkers on these paths need to be alert and aware of other modes of transport they are sharing a space with. I never said otherwise.

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sailri t1_iw58pxc wrote

Replying to huron9000 (#514,719)

What’s not true? Speed is not a problem. Recklessness is not the problem. We could send a paceline of 100 cyclists at 18 mph riding conservatively by 1 walker per all 15 miles of the path. Safe speed. Safe riders. 15 complaints from walkers or parents with six year old kids on bikes or moms walking side by side pushing carriages. Those 100 cyclists on a road would result in the same complaints from those same 15 walkers driving home, except the complaint would be they’re driving too slow on the road and taking up too much space.

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huron9000 t1_iw5ct2q wrote

Replying to sailri (#514,896)

Your comments dodge the gist of my initial comment, which was that a bike or scooter being motorized does not make it inherently more dangerous on a bike path, it is all how the vehicle is operated.;

But regardless, speed itself isn’t the problem, it is speed differentials. And I have seen bike dudes jam through crowded bike path conditions at way more than 18 mph. Like, try 30+ mph.

And yes, you are right that clusters of clueless pedestrians sprawling across the width of the bike path are a real problem. I never said they weren’t.

I was drawing a distinction between motorized and non-motorized bikes, and that non-motorized ones are capable, and in my experience more likely, of causing a problem of speed differentials among users.

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