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Coincel_pro t1_j60ck54 wrote

Reply to comment by degggendorf in What if we all just decided not to pay our February electricity bills? by WeakAndWeary

This is literally the opposite of the argument I have made, not sure how you are so mixed up on this. Please try reading again without assuming I am speaking against collective action in any way (because holy shit am I not). As someone who donates an unhealthy amount of money to strike funds I am trying not to laugh ere.

I said people are poisoned against it because look at OP getting like -14 votes on just asking if collective action would be possible / a solution. As someone who has participated in strikes and protests numerous times the amount of vile rhetoric around them is eye opening, especially considering how often they are used elsewhere to good effect.

You yourself laid out your opinion of a realistic outcome which included "not many would participate" and "RIE would see non-debilitating loss of revenue".

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I would love for it to happen, collective action is utilized far far too little in the USA because people are generally poisoned against it / too passive in regard to the status quo. I lay out that its not likely but just as you said for yourself, that does not mean either of us dont want it to occur.

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degggendorf t1_j60dr71 wrote

> You yourself laid out your opinion of a realistic outcome which included "not many would participate" and "RIE would see non-debilitating loss of revenue".

Right, and you'll notice that I didn't include misinformation about shut offs like you did, and I gave my opinion from the factual starting point I laid out here a couple comments ago..."People could do what OP is suggesting and just not pay their bills until March 31 with zero repercussions. That would crush RIE's cashflow for the next two months, and get their attention. What would happen after that? Idk, that's where the discussion should happen."

It seems even more confusing that you'd spread anti-action misinformation if you so heartily support the action. Surely it would be in your interest to promote awareness of the limitations to RIE's power, to encourage more people to participate in some collective action rather than just reinforcing the reasons why everyone should be scared to.

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Coincel_pro t1_j617yb9 wrote

Ok you’re clearly just reading what you want to

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degggendorf t1_j61iwfx wrote

Except none of it is really what I want to see. I'd rather see fact-based support for collective action rather than dejected hyperbole.

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