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This is a trope that is so over used and no matter how hard some may try to flip it on it's head they end up proving it again unintentionally

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I fucking hate the word trope

I fucking hate the word trope

¯_(ツ)_/¯ is there a synonym you prefer

Like it enough to say it twice?

It's the trope of secretly loving/being a thing so you have to loudly and publicly decry it. Mhm.

if they promise to do something “next time” or “another time”, they’re gonna die.

Unless it’s oceans 12, because their plan was to make an awful film

I call it the "Bond Syndrome" the antagonist had the protagonist by the balls....starts his spiel...gives the protagonist nuff time to eff up his plans lol like whyyy 😭

Edit: plot armor 🤣

It doesn't make sense to explain an entire plan and then execute it exactly the way it was explained. That's just poor storytelling. There's a lot of redundancy and no real tension.

If the plan is going to fail, it makes sense to spell it out beforehand, as you can then see more clearly where the breakdown of the plan happens and what goes wrong, without having to take you out of the action to elaborate.

If the plan is going to succeed, the tension comes from trying to figure out how they're going to beat the impossible odds. If everything goes according to plan as they laid it out, that tension is lost. So either you'll get the dialogue of explaining the plan playing over it actually happening, to preserve some mystery, or there will be a surprise reveal that goes counter what it seemed like the plan was supposed to be.

These are obviously tropes, but they're tropes for a reason.

True Lies where Arnold got the truth serum, told them all his plan and it worked perfectly

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=MvHMuDgrUkU

That’s not the case in Night of the Lepus (1972), where the climactic giant bunny-slaying plan is explained and then carried out without incident.

I readily summoned that fact though I routinely forget my online banking account password; thanks a lot, brain.

Obviously. But they are also bad writing, because they destroy any tension by spoiling the plot.

I can think of a lot of films that pretty much do the opposite of the shower thought. One example is The Interview, where for comedic tension James Franco's plan to shoot the helicopter down is pretty much what happens.

Pretty sure a lot of successful heist and action films also work as counter examples

An assemblage of words so gregariously at leisure within themselves that, one barely need raise an eyelid to read them.

Unsurprisingly, there’s a TVTropes for that:

https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/UnspokenPlanGuarantee

> Admittedly, the reason for revealing only failed plans to the audience is obvious. There's no drama in something going wrong if no one knows what was supposed to happen. Conversely, where's the drama in seeing exactly what you were just told would happen? The only exception is when the plan is Crazy Enough to Work; when every bullet point could Go Horribly Wrong, then each success is a big, suspense-building deal. As a general rule of thumb, if things do go according to how the audience is told, you can expect that the characters are walking into a trap.

lesson learned: dont plan shit or you will get dissapointed, just... have a vague idea of what you wanna do, thats when your skillset starts to shine

I can't think of any, but I'm curious to see one now. Just some extremely skilled people pulling off the heist exactly as planned with no big twist surprises. There's something satisfying about watching people in their element being super competent at what they do.

Okay so it's never exactly as planned to the T. So maybe I was a bit hyperbolic. But I can think of a few where I seem to remember that there was no huge twist or anything.

This is why I like it when a character has multiple plans. They get the opportunity to explain a flawless plan that doesn't occur, and then execute another flawless plan that they didn't tell.

You dropped this: \

I enjoyed The Great Raid (2005) only because of how James Franco's character planned the raid and escaped exactly how he said they would.

WATCH OUT! he's armed.

A Few Good Men is a counter example. He absolutely says exactly what's going to happen and then goes and does it. The only thing we're not told is what the special witnesses saw. Which turns out to be nothing.

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