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So essentially, deer decline starts with about 75% left and ours starts with like 83%. Why do we peak so early in our lifespan?

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Sexual peak is late teens but strength is late 20s early 30s

Why are most Olympic athletes in their late teens then? (For the very physically demanding events)

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Deer don’t live 17 years. 7 or 8, max.

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That's why is said can. Physically they CAN live 17, they get hunted and killed in the wild, but there's been studies to show their physical average max lifespan is about 17.

Physical performance is more mid 20s and endurance is 30s. Humans are endurance animals so I’d say that’s a better way of determining peak performance. Either way, 17.5 years isn’t a benchmark on any standard. And to respond to your comment about the Olympians being young, the average age is 27. In my opinion, we see younger athletes because they have gone through more and better training at younger ages than older athletes have. There are also more serious athletes in youth nowadays than there were years ago, so the probability of finding a kid who is gifted or more dedicated to a sport is higher.

My (non-expert) guess is that we were not supposed to live this long? Only two centuries ago living to the age of 70 wasn't really a common accomplishment.

Average of all Olympians is 27, but there are a lot of events that are easier for older athletes to be competitive at. Gymnasts are typical much younger than 27, swimmers are younger. I wasn't just talking to strength, which is why is worded it as performance/potential (maybe I should have worded it more clearly). And it's not just Olympics, look at something like MotoGP, very mentally and physically demanding, needs high reaction time...they are considered OLD when entering mid 20s. I'm not claiming to be a scientific expert in this, it was a shower thought. But I appreciate your input though.

Yeah I'm not a science expert either, I thought that was the point of shower thoughts, but oh well.

I agree that your theory makes sense. And my 17% is based off of max age (oldest human was 125) which is why I compared to max age of deer (even though it's rare deer make it to 17 in wild) for some continuity.

I dont think 18 is peak physical age for people bud lol youre a decade off.

Haha OK, my bad

while there have been unique outliers, you'd be hard pressed to get one past 12 in the safety of captivity.

if you're going down that road, why don't you lead with the premise that humans live to 115?

not sure how you can have an average maximum, but you do you.

you're not good with data at all

https://www.theguardian.com/sport/datablog/2012/aug/07/olympics-2012-athletes-age-weight-height

I thought you said it was late teens?

122 was the oldest human.

Sandrews1313 is on a crusade to comment all over this post haha, yikes. Sorry to have bothered you to the point you spent your morning doing that. Weird way to spend one's time but....you do you.

well, you're here trying to farm karma. we all have our parts to play in life.

I think he's just trying to defend his point so he wouldn't sound like an idiot so idk about the whole karma farming stuff but ok.

This is actually not factual at all. As a human you don’t peak until your 30’s and then You can stay maximally functional for decades assuming you attempt to care for yourself. Assuming you live a healthy and active life, you shouldn’t have low T until your 60’s. And if you diet and exercise regularly, the chances of a life like this are fairly good

fair point

True but if you look at stats from non hunting areas you will find the upper end for a buck is 8 and 11ish for a doe. Giv a healthy full ecosystem with pre