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izza123 t1_jdfnjng wrote

If we didn’t have free will we would always react in the same way to the same stimuli. But as it is we can choose to react in different ways even when subjected to the exact same stimulus.

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Traditionalmonkey t1_jdfnuih wrote

But i can do something without a stimuli. Lets say i am completely deaf, blind and floating in an emty space. I can still move my arm

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izza123 t1_jdfnzun wrote

Exactly, that just further demonstrates your free will. You don’t need any stimulus at all you can just generate a decision.

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Traditionalmonkey t1_jdfo4h3 wrote

But what creates the impulse

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RedditAlt999 t1_jdhoouq wrote

Your mind? I really don't get what you aren't understanding. Is it the physical aspects or how a neuron works or the psychological definition of what a mind is?

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[deleted] OP t1_jdfshgw wrote

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izza123 t1_jdfsohl wrote

What the hell does it have to do with fear? Lol it’s the only alternative. If we didn’t have free will we would be solely reacting to stimuli without choice as to how we react.

I feel like maybe you’re really confused about what I’m saying or just bizarrely hostile for no reason lol

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[deleted] OP t1_jdft4kc wrote

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one_shattered_ego t1_jdgqcau wrote

I think you’re getting downvoted for the perceived tone of your comments (which admittedly comes off harsh), but what you’re getting at is spot on.

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[deleted] OP t1_jdfu4og wrote

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izza123 t1_jdfua42 wrote

Are you mentally ill? It’s been 3 minutes since you last responded to me. Did it even occur to you that I’m not sitting here, just waiting to instantly respond to you.

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suckleknuckle t1_jdfn75m wrote

Your consciousness does which it isn’t fully understand what that is

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Traditionalmonkey t1_jdfnjfm wrote

But consciiusness has to exist somewhere. And by that logic it is simulated by the neurons themselves. It is just neourons giving other neurons orders based on an algoritihm

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suckleknuckle t1_jdfnues wrote

Your consciousness isn’t neurons it’s something that controls the neurons, and we simply don’t understand it yet. It may be stored somewhere physical, but it also may not be as we don’t know what it is.

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izza123 t1_jdfpn81 wrote

Your consciousness exists entirely in your neurons and possibly astrocytes.

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nowyourdoingit t1_jdg82lh wrote

You're not actually saying anything. You're lost in a semantic hole. Neurons doing things IS what we mean by free will. You, you bundle of neurons, have agency in the world. Read some Dennett and chill

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nowyourdoingit t1_jdhd5g6 wrote

The first part. That's what it is. That's all it is. But that's also all we need it to be. LLMs are just token weighting machine run on silicon. They can still output poetry. Our self-reflexive cognition is meaningfuly different but still the same kind of thing, inputs and calculation cascades which is how we decide to do A or B, which is free will.

You open an old school thermostat and you find a coil of metal that expands and contracts depending on the temp ans you say "wait, it's not really telling the temparature, it's just a piece of non-thinking non-calculating metal". But it is telling the temparature in the way we mean a thermostat tells the temparature, which is the only meaningful and important way we mean thermostats tell the temparature. You being sad their isn't a fairy in the box doesn't lessen what the metal coil is doing.

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[deleted] OP t1_jdi03vr wrote

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nowyourdoingit t1_jdi5e4q wrote

Read literally any book by Daniel Dennett if you a primer on this

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ctbasie t1_jdi9oar wrote

(Quick google)

Daniel Dennett, the materialist?

So an english lesson

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nowyourdoingit t1_jdiamst wrote

https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=daniel+dennett+free+will

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ctbasie t1_jdigib6 wrote

"It’s complicated, and I apologize for that, but it’s worth getting right. The very first question we have to ask is: Are we human beings 100 percent governed by the laws of physics? Or do we, as conscious creatures, have some wiggle room that allows us to act in ways that are outside of the laws of physics? Almost all scientists will tell you that of course it’s the former." -Sean Carroll

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