Submitted by NoNo_Cilantro t3_127no6u in Showerthoughts
Otfd t1_jeg18rp wrote
Reply to comment by EasyBOven in Stories with humanized animals are cute. Stories with animalized humans are terrifying. by NoNo_Cilantro
Nope all morality is subjective. BUT some are so obviously that they are accepted as fact such as murder by most of society.
EasyBOven t1_jeg1mr4 wrote
Obviousness is inconsistent with subjectivity
Otfd t1_jeg20sd wrote
No. It causes something to seem less subjective, but ultimately people exist who murder and think it's fine. They would disagree, but as a whole it's obvious so it feels like fact.
EasyBOven t1_jeg265h wrote
So you have no argument to those individuals who would murder? It's just, like, your opinion man, that murder is bad?
Otfd t1_jeg2mj0 wrote
This is the issue with people like you. You want to spend hours running in circles trying to make me equate something I think is minor to something I think is major.
I WILL NEVER THINK THAT KILLING AND EATING AN ANIMAL IS THE SAME AS A KILLING A HUMAN. So fuck off and go argue YOUR morality with someone else.
I am two seconds away from doubling my meat intake just to make up for your lack of eating.
EasyBOven t1_jeg3cj0 wrote
I'm just asking questions about your morality.
Either of this things should be true:
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You have an argument against murder that you would want someone who thinks murder is ok to examine and possibly change their mind, in which case you should be equally open to arguments about treating non-human animals as property
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You have no argument against murder because all morality is subjective and if some dude wants to murder someone that's their right and we should all get out of their face about it because maybe they're two seconds away from doubling the number of people they murder just to make up for your lack of murdering
Which would you say is closer to your position?
Otfd t1_jeg5tel wrote
Then you should be equal open to treating your water bottle with the same level of respect. Don't try to argue that it isn't living, because those are my morals.
It doesn't matter dude. We pick what we want. But thankfully, society mostly aligns with what I consider the most morally outrageous such as rape, murder, etc.
EasyBOven t1_jeg6qz1 wrote
I'm happy to hear an argument about any moral claims.
How fortunate that in a reality where moral opinions are just random chance and not based on anything real, we find ourselves in a society that matches your morality. There can't possibly be an underlying cause for societies making similar moral decisions
Otfd t1_jegrz0n wrote
Your second paragraph made me laugh. “Based on anything real” dude what part of subjective do you not understand? We have free will. Thankfully, society can mostly agree that killing, raping and a bunch of other stuff is extremely bad. But a whole of us think people like you who take it this far are stupid. We can justify killing and eating an animal. We can’t justify killing a human. You can’t justify killing and eating an animal. I CAN.
EasyBOven t1_jegstdh wrote
This is just an assertion. We don't have to get into the weeds on meta-ethics, but if you want to assert that it's ok to treat an individual as property because "subjective, tho," you're either going to need to concede that you would have to allow people to murder and/or demonstrate subjectivism.
But if you want to circumvent all that nonsense, I'm perfectly willing to have a conversation with you about your moral perspective and see if it can be applied consistently
Otfd t1_jeh1oe0 wrote
Yeah me and 90% of the world will continue to do exactly that. Just like we always have.
You can keep asserting that we have to share YOUR beliefs.
EasyBOven t1_jeh1t6f wrote
Do exactly what? What are you even responding to at this point? Are you making up your own meaning to my sentences now?
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