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John-D-Clay t1_j85b7ra wrote

Reply to comment by Useful-Plan8239 in Wedding Planner in Ukraine War Has Adapted to Curfews, Blackouts, the determination to keep on living and to be happy is so heartwarming. by TheHuanWhoKnocks

Who is we? Putin? Or are you suggesting Ukraine is somehow in the wrong?

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Useful-Plan8239 t1_j85g8qf wrote

I think you need to sit and think a bit more. We is us, humanity...

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John-D-Clay t1_j85gchi wrote

Could you explain what you mean?

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Jibtech t1_j85nd3d wrote

They mean not Russia, nor Ukraine, nor America. They're saying humans as a whole, which includes Putin(human) and that also includes Zelensky(human) as well as Hitler(human) they mean we as humans need to learn to coexist without war. It will never happen though because that would mean everybody agreeing on the same thing.

Nice sentiment though

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rrogido t1_j865nfr wrote

So.......you wish there was a magic wand that would stop evil. How very mature of you.

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Outofmany t1_j8606rd wrote

Are you suggesting Ukraine is not one of the most corrupt nations on earth? Are you further suggesting that Ukraine is not being used by the United States as a proxy war against Russia? Is Ukraine wrong?

Ukraine is wrong for bowing to US pressure and not simply going back to how things were. Ukraine is also bearing the brunt of that decision. Is that wrong? To continue to engage in a war you will never win, because you couldn’t handle agreeing to not be Americas bitch?

Hmmmm. Yup that sounds wrong.

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John-D-Clay t1_j8638qx wrote

Lol! Russia is undoubtedly more corrupt than Ukraine, especially now since people have been weeded out from the start of the war.

Why is the US supporting Ukraine against aggression bad? Because Ukraine shouldn't exist? Ukrainians would vehemently disagree with you on that. Ukraine wants more aid, not less.

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Outofmany t1_j86e05m wrote

America is the worlds mafia boss. March 2022 Ukraine and Russia were drafting a peace deal. Who do you think shut that down? Who really wanted the war?

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John-D-Clay t1_j86ecsc wrote

Russia literally rolled in with tanks, not Ukraine. And Russia is the one literally run by mob affiliated oligarchs.

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sh1ko t1_j864mfo wrote

Ivan, it's just lunch break, easy on the vodka there, comrade.

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Outofmany t1_j86djsb wrote

Imperial America, hiding behind modern banking.

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duderguy91 t1_j85i7bh wrote

Sure, just sitting back and letting your country get bombed to extinction and letting the initial aggressor take everything from your people is the move.

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duderguy91 t1_j85kjyr wrote

You are conveniently glossing over that the aggressors are taking lives. If you don’t fight back, you lose everything including lives. If you do fight back you have a shot of not losing the lives of your loved ones.

You can sit on that pseudo moral hill all you want. But I imagine you’ve never been properly punched in the face let alone had your life or the lives of your loved ones threatened. It’s very easy to be pious in a comfy basement with no threat.

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duderguy91 t1_j85m12m wrote

Peace wasn’t an option when Russia decided to invade and start killing. Your mindset is tragically flawed and completely naive to the fact that truly evil beings live in this world and they control a lot of people.

I genuinely don’t believe you’ve been through these tragic events you speak of because you would know that the evil in this world is true. If you’re willing to roll over and die to any threat so be it. But humans typically have self preservation instincts for a very good reason and there is nothing morally wrong about standing up to the evil in this world.

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Jibtech t1_j85oe0z wrote

Theyre extremely naive and don't understand what's actually happening in the real world.

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duderguy91 t1_j85o250 wrote

Enjoy getting absolutely rolled in life bud. Your opinion is ridiculous and if the world followed that flawed logic, the Nazi’s would still be ruling Germany and likely expanding out further.

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vasylyna t1_j85y7oe wrote

They would kill, they are killing and they killed in the past

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vasylyna t1_j8adxmf wrote

Gay people oppressed all over the world, not only in Ukraine. Ukraine is at war with Russians that took over Donetsk and Luhansk regions. When Russia leaves there will be no more rockets, very simple. How can you call Russians soldiers? They are criminals. They are invaders. Ukrainian people have nowhere to go to escape this evil. Russians can stop this here and now by just go home. But they won’t, because they feel entitled to choose how other nations should live

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vasylyna t1_j8dwtxq wrote

Peace surely will come if all Ukrainians are killed. That’s what you state. Because Russia will not stop and if they defeat us they will come for you. And I didn’t state that Ukraine is perfect. We have issues a lot AND we have bloodthirsty neighbour that prevent us from progress. You can not improve if you only have time to barely survive. This is my last point because I see you have no idea what is going on and just try to be “not like other”

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vasylyna t1_j8f0155 wrote

You know what Ukrainians (common people and celebrities) did for months after February 24? We asked we begged we pleaded Russians to stop this to go against their government to sabotage this cruelty. What Russians did? Millions fled the country and stay silent abroad, millions laughed at deaths of civilians, hundreds of thousands came in Ukraine to kill, rape and still. War will end when this empire destroys itself like many other before it. You believes are naїve - you cannot protect yourself and loved ones simply by diplomacy. How you can create this “change in mind” in Russians? For the past 30 years they invaded 5 nations and only gained from it. They should be thought a lesson. Unfortunately, the best women and man of my people paying the ultimate price for it

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vasylyna t1_j8fdt4w wrote

Well… what can I say, continue to live in the world portrayed by Russian propaganda and enjoy your privileged life. Apparently Sovereign country shouldn’t defend itself against invasion and genocide. You do know that Ukraine never was a threat and before 2014 had good for nothing military. What happened in 2014?🤔

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vasylyna t1_j8fhz05 wrote

It is brave. Ukrainians stood unarmed before Russians tanks and it changed nothing because they do not see us as equals. Our suffering means nothing to them even more they enjoy this opportunity to punish us. Thank you for telling where are you from but it was obvious that you never experienced situation where the choice is fight or die.

English not my first language and it’s pretty tiresome to make a point to someone who thinks they know better. Have a nice life and enjoy Russian propaganda

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CallidoraBlack t1_j885tij wrote

>You actually think Russia would be killing Ukrainians if they didn't fight back?

Russia has literally committed genocide against Ukrainians before. Do you not know what genocide is?

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icantbelieveiclicked t1_j85pc8l wrote

Yeah when the enemy is litteraly torturing children, you go convince parents to just let it happen in the name of peace

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