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bottleboy8 t1_j8jc0kn wrote

The batteries in my last cell phone lasted 5 years before they couldn't be charged anymore. Had to get a new phone.

My last gas car lasted 23 years.

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BigCountry76 t1_j8jivaw wrote

Pretty sure the battery cells and battery management system is an EV is a bit more advanced than your phone.

There are tons of EVs with well over 100k mile and 90%+ of the original range.

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WorBlux t1_j8ltr13 wrote

Calendar ageing will still get you. And 80% is more or less considered EOL for an automotive pack.

If you are hitting 100,000 mi in 3-4 years, EV's durability compares favorably with ICE.

If you are doing 4-5k miles/year, the ICE wins, because it goes 15-20 years before falling apart, and usually not one super-expensive component at once.

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bottleboy8 t1_j8jqm1o wrote

> Pretty sure the battery cells and battery management system is an EV is a bit more advanced than your phone.

Same lithium ion batteries. And how you use and charge the batteries matters. As well as hot and cold extreme weather.

>90%+ of the original range.

Exactly. The batteries degrade quickly. They may not completely fail, but after the first charge they start degrading. You'll lose 10% of the charge capacity and range of the vehicle in the first two years.

Replacing the batteries is extremely expensive. And can cost up to $20k.

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BigCountry76 t1_j8jsq6g wrote

You definitely don't lose 10% range in two years and the battery chemistry and quality is not the same as a phone.

But you clearly have your mind made up to ignore facts so no point in debating with you.

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Ok-Development8745 t1_j8kvr6f wrote

Battery technology hasn’t changed.

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Hotkoin t1_j8lfmfn wrote

Truly, we still use the voltaic pile even to this day. I drag my 300 kg mobile phone around with me and have to regularly swap out the vinegar soaked sheets of fabric to keep the screen on.

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Ok-Development8745 t1_j8lfrsh wrote

You know what I mean. Of course I’m not being literal. We have made no significant advancements in battery technology in a long time.

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Hotkoin t1_j8lgmm2 wrote

Quite a stretch of a statement there.

That's kinda like saying a smartphone using a lithium ion battery from 10 years ago is about as dense as a current smartphone lithium ion battery

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Hotkoin t1_j8lghbc wrote

Quite a stretch of a statement there.

That's kinda like saying a smartphone using a lithium ion battery from 10 years ago is about as dense as a current smartphone lithium ion battery

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Ok-Development8745 t1_j8lgmh1 wrote

The fact that we’re still using lithium ion jfc man just nvm you’re clearly just looking for a combative argument and I’m not trying to fight. Good nite

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Hotkoin t1_j8lgrds wrote

Just because the current wave of batteries and batteries from 10 years ago are called lithium ion doesn't mean they're the same thing.

Kinda like saying rubber tires 100 years ago are the same as rubber tires now

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