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bingold49 t1_j8jf3os wrote
Reply to comment by surfingNerd in Electric Vehicles Could Match Gasoline Cars on Price This Year by seascot
By a lot? The average EV price is 66k while the average ICE vehicle is 44k. Even at 50 bucks a week in gas it would take 10 years to make up the difference
videodromejockey t1_j8jn00n wrote
It’s not just gas. Gas, oil, brakes and rotors(due to regenerative/one pedal braking, electrics don’t consume them as aggressively), spark plugs and coil packs, transmission fluid, differential fluid for some AWD models, diesel DEF fluid. There are a ton of consumables in gas/diesel cars. Even in my fairly low maintenance car I’ll spend about $2000 in consumables over a five year period, even before gas enters the picture.
And that’s ignoring the potential failure of gas/diesel components that don’t exist on electric cars. Turbos, exhaust systems, high and low pressure fuel pumps, the many many air/fuel sensors involved in running a car like MAP, MAF, IAT sensors, injectors, water pumps, these are all non-wear items that commonly fail and can represent hundreds or thousands in repairs. Now granted electric cars have their own unique components - but not nearly as many as gas cars.
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videodromejockey t1_j8l5pwo wrote
If you think replacing EV batteries is common, you're drinking the oil koolaid. Current generation EV batteries will last the lifetime of the car, with many manufacturers having battery warranties in the 150k mile range. There isn't a single ICE car company on the planet warrantying their engines for 150k miles.
bingold49 t1_j8k0xm8 wrote
If you're a buying a brand new vehicle, it comes with a warranty that's going to cover much of that, tack on 150 a year in oil changes maybe
videodromejockey t1_j8k1aae wrote
For three years, maybe. But that hardly matters because if you buy new you’re eating shit on depreciation. Warranties also do not include maintenance items, so all your consumables as already mentioned.
Xyrus2000 t1_j8l3868 wrote
This is an example of how to use statistics incorrectly. You are comparing a restricted market that was originally targeted more towards the luxury market with initial offerings to a highly competitive market loaded with tons of low-end models.
Tesla literally made up 2/3 of the market for EVs. That's going to give a ridiculously skewed metric when trying to compare against the broad ICE market.
LilyWhitesN17 t1_j8jiejv wrote
I'm not anti-EV, but the basic math doesn't add up, and as soon as you point out something like this, you're a shill for big oil. Looking at a few models, Hybrid vs. EV of the same vehicle, there is still a $10K difference in price.
bingold49 t1_j8jk7v6 wrote
The bottom line is that it is still a bit of a luxury and for many people out of the question just because of where they live and not having as much infrastructure in place. As time goes on, that may change as EVs and the infrastructure become more prevalent but we aren't there yet. The question I have is whether a synthetic fuel of some sort (especially something existing cars can easily be converted to) come to market prior to a full move to EV.
surfingNerd t1_j8jxiqn wrote
So, you are comparing a luxury EV price, vs an average ICE-car?
Yes, if you are already buying a car, of similar price as an EV, get the EV. Has cars will start to deprecate much more, when you see gas stations and mechanics shops closing.
Bearman71 t1_j8k108k wrote
Average vehicle cost is a bit off though. There's a number of evs out there for less than 66k you can buy the 35-45k electric vehicle if you want.
bingold49 t1_j8k18xt wrote
You can also roll the dice on needing a 15k dollar battery replacement, we are talking new purchase vehicles in this article
Xyrus2000 t1_j8l4dru wrote
What are you talking about? Battery packs/drive train are warrantied for just as long, if not longer, than ICE engines.
Bearman71 t1_j8k1cx8 wrote
That's not even close to being part of the discussion, but I also don't keep cars past their warranty period.
bingold49 t1_j8k1zxk wrote
Ok, we are still talking average price, every new ice vehicle doesn't start at 44k
Xyrus2000 t1_j8l4gzk wrote
Every new EV doesn't start at 66k either. What's your point?
Bearman71 t1_j8k2j1s wrote
Ice cars also don't have a tesla that registered every trim line of the model s as a different car fucking up the averages.
bingold49 t1_j8k3rze wrote
But they also don't have 15k Nissan sentras on the other side of that
Bearman71 t1_j8k4f71 wrote
They do have a 26k leaf so electric vehicles are still affordable, sure. You're not buying a tesla loaded with the big fuck off battery, 4 motors, super cruise, and every other option, but affordable options are out there if you want one.
Xyrus2000 t1_j8l4vpb wrote
How long has ICE technology been around in mass production?
You really are hell-bent on comparing apples to oranges. EV prices continue to drop. There are several options for EVs in the mid $20K range. Add in the fact that EVs require a fraction of the maintenance and that $10K or so price difference starts looking pretty small.
Ineludible_Ruin t1_j8lbyea wrote
What EVs are readily available (outside of tesla) that are around the size of a normal car, civic, sentra, accord, camry... that are similar price to the ice versions I just named? (Maybe some of those have an ev version?)
Xyrus2000 t1_j8mk09i wrote
The Nissan Leaf and the Chevy Bolt are in that price range. There are a couple of others that get into that price range with incentives, but the usefulness of incentives depends on your taxes.
Ineludible_Ruin t1_j8n2hwr wrote
The leaf has always seemed so small to me, though it is 10inches shorter than a civic. I don't get why they're so.... aesthetically unappealing. That's just an opinion though. Same for the chevy bolt. Those EVs and the prius have similar looks and hatchback... the Teslas look more like a normal car like the civic or accord or camry. Maybe there's a reason the others look like that. Aerodynamics while Tesla isn't quite that concerned about it?
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