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ivegot3dvision t1_j9ylz6e wrote

Reply to comment by impulsiveclick in High-Speed Rail Project Will Create Over 10,000 Jobs in California by gammapsi05

Yeah, because Washington will not put any money in on it. It's such a shit show.

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impulsiveclick t1_ja3xik9 wrote

because Vancouver Washington residents don’t make nearly as much money as very rich upper class Portland. It’s not Vancouver’s fault that the people who could actually afford to pay a toll are on the other side of the bridge that won’t be using it.

This is exactly why I don’t think anybody in Oregon is a real socialist or cares about the lower class.

if you saw Vancouver Washington was capable of paying that kind of money in the 90s you’re just lying. I couldn’t afford it in the 2000s either. And it certainly couldn’t afford it through the 2010s while Portland was booming.

Vancouver Washington didn’t even have enough money to expand our jail in order to fit the amount of people is necessary. Our jail is significantly smaller for the population size than it should. And if we can’t afford a jail, what makes you think we could afford a bridge ?

Silver spoon in your mouth. We do not have income tax. Remember who would get taxed. Poor people. Disabled people.

it hasn’t been fun the past decade in Vancouver Washington watching as our housing prices go up and up and up because Portland Oregon won’t deal with its shit and all of our housing prices are based upon Portland and not ours. Because we can’t attract builders unless we make our apartments the same price as your low income apartments and these days you’ve got it cheaper.

The people who don’t have to cross the bridge and live in Vancouver Washington have it much better than the people who have to. There are people from Skamania county who have to go to Portland in order to work at all. Because there’s no jobs where they live.

but people in Portland wouldn’t know anything about that. They wouldn’t know anything about post 2008 economic crash realities that hit rural areas more than it hit them. Nor are they thankful that they actually came out of that significantly better off than the entirety of the rest of the country. (#1 in raised median income isnt doing bad!)

went from the most livable city to one of the most expensive in the span of a decade. All because y’all are selfish. You became just the people you demonize so very much. And you look down at your nose from your high tower at Poor Vantucky. Demanding that we give money we do not have because we’re peasants who dared to work where you live and we cannot afford. Demanding we pay like some place that is economically competitive.

Imagine treating Eugene like they’re Seattle. Because that’s what you’re doing to me and others here.

Imagine expecting the same amount from Federal way as you would Seattle. But now there’s a state line involved with opposite tax realities, so it’s just so much worse. It’s not even like I can use Medicaid facilities where you are at. I have to go to Seattle. That’s how that works.

I want to see our cities is two halved of a whole and I more relate to this area as its own state within itself then within my own state or just Oregon. We are like fraternal twin sisters or something.

If I was in Seattle and this was a Seattle and Portland problem then it would be equal. But it’s just not.

I can throw so many bitter words at Portland… and you can throw a lot of bitter words at me. and I will still love Portland. But I don’t think you love Vancouver. I know Camas stinkville fuckheads suck for Portland when they do go over but they cause us a lot of trouble too. You see the anti- school levy campaign for Vancouver? Yeah, that was people who live in Camas. Patriot Prayer? Camas.

I’m not in a position of power, and I assume you aint either. I want the light rail. The types who live out in Camas don’t even wanna pay for basic public transit.

I can only say “just raise taxes” isn’t an option. No state income tax. And the people who use the bridge are some of the least able to pay. If they were well off, they would find some way of working closer to home where they have political representation.

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ivegot3dvision t1_ja409sm wrote

Look, the fact of the matter is that there's a lot of people that live in Portland (and surrounding areas) that are nowhere near rich. If you think that Portland is some rich stronghold, you're very mistaken.

My main issue is that if a state/city/whatever is going to benefit from an infrastructure project, like a bridge between states, both parties should fund it. I don't see how that's a lot to ask.

Also, I am very, very against any tolling on the 5. It's going to be a mess.

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impulsiveclick t1_ja4avoc wrote

We do not have income tax. What about that do you not understand? You have no sales tax. We have no income tax. Sales tax hurts poor people. Property taxes often also hurt poor people.

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ivegot3dvision t1_ja5jk0u wrote

I understand that you don't have income tax and that Oregon doesn't have sales tax. Budgeting for projects state wide takes into account what money is coming in from various sources.

I'm not going to back down on my opinion that if there's a bridge between two states, both states should pay for it. I don't quite understand your hatred and refusal for this.

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impulsiveclick t1_ja5oq9e wrote

And I won’t back down because it was not put on the state. It was put on the city.

my hatred is coming from your blaming. And the fact that you deny what was really going on. Raising sales tax for everyone again really?

Washington state neglect pretty much everywhere that isn’t Seattle. And a lot of people in Oregon say the same thing if they don’t live in Portland.

Why would the most populated area, Seattle or the second most populated area Spokane, give a flying shit about anyone who isn’t themselves?

Portland can sway their state and government very easily because they’ve got the population to do so. because they have the economics to do so.

blaming Washington state for wanting a smaller bridge which y’all refused to accept a smaller bridge because we couldn’t afford it because it was a Vancouver Washington that was paying Not the rest of it.

Spokane, Seattle, Tacoma, Olympia. Those are the big cities here. Oh Oregon has one big city and then they have Eugene and Salem. it just happens to be that y’all are on the border of the state.

There was fighting. Stupid fucking people protesting the fucking light rail. Oh I can’t even call that particularly controversial as an element these days. I am only responsible for things that happened after 2008. Because that’s when I start voting.

But ultimately this was a huge fucking fight because the state didn’t want to pay for it. Because only our city would be using it. And high and mighty ivory tower Portland Oregon victim blaming

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impulsiveclick t1_ja5qcog wrote

Oh and here’s a down vote since you down voted me. And you know I really don’t appreciate how y’all sent Joe Kent over here. he was a monster. And that’s what your culture produces. He was a real piece of work. He thought he could put a different bridge someplace else.

but hey if you want to put down my state, two can play at that game. I can absolutely rip Oregon a new one for violating peoples constitutional rights on the daily for the last decade. And by constitutional rights I mean like a right to a speedy trial. And endangering the public with its lack of public defenders. but if you said you just didn’t have the money I’d understand.

you know I’d understand a lot better if it wasn’t for the fact that the median income raised in Oregon more than any other state. everyone is in reality richer, and we are more at each other’s throats than we’ve ever been.

I miss when Portland was poor like we were. Because at least then you were nice

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