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Johnwazup t1_ja5pihf wrote

Reply to comment by Deep_Grizz in Florida city opens nature preserve after citizens helped save it by Metlman13

> If you are driving your vehicle to a national forest, you could easily do that in a smart car if you wanted to. I never implied public transit was a viable option for this.

My brother in Christ, why do you think I've lifted and put larger tires on my vehicle? Do you think these roads are paved? Have you ever left the city?

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Deep_Grizz t1_ja5vt6i wrote

Because you're lazy and don't want to hike out to the campsite? I go to big cypress, park my car where the road ends at a lot for park visitors, and hike to camp. Not every weekend mind you, but its not that hard. It's literally a mile or 2 at most to get to a remote enough spot that there aren't other people around. If you want to drive out even further than that, more power to you. But suggesting it's necessary to off road to get to a remote camping site is ridiculous.

Look, I'm not trying to take your jeep from you, or even say you're a bad person for driving it. Do what makes you happy. But an individual's choice of transportation is the single most impactful decision they can make for themselves that will impact the environment. You can tell me you care about the environment all you want, but the fact you made literally the worst choice possible for your mode of transportation as an individual tells me you really don't care that much.

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Johnwazup t1_ja606n8 wrote

Maybe you have trouble understanding me. I'll go to Fischer national forest. The nearest gas station is over 100 miles away. There is no one nearby. To get to the trail is a borderline off-road obstacle course. There is no taking a car and hiking in to the trail head. You have to drive 30 miles deep into the park. This is the middle of no where Utah. You understand not all locations are the suburban getaway your talking about correct? There's tens of thousands of different parks, forests, BLM lands in the united stated. You understand how each of them can be different, no?

> You can tell me you care about the environment all you want, but the fact you made literally the worst choice possible for your mode of transportation as an individual tells me you really don't care that much.

Are you able to comprehend that not all situations are black and white? How you can be a conservationist, in preserving the natural beauty our great nation has, while caring less so about CO2 output. I mean come on man. You can live totally off the grid, never burning a single particle of fossil fuels in your life, while being absolutely dwarfed on the global scale with the likes of China, India, and developing African Tribes and nations.

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Deep_Grizz t1_ja63hd8 wrote

I guess it must be pretty remote, considering there's not a listing on Google maps for that park in Utah. Even if we assume that wasn't just a bullshit anecdote to try and prove your point, let's look at it. If you're 100 miles from a gas station before getting to the park, we can safely assume you live no less than 100 miles from this park. You are correct about there being 10s of thousands of different parks in the country. With that many, it's probably a safe assumption that there's other options closer or as close as Fischer, especially in the western part of the US where the population is more spread out. I am 100% confident you could find an adequately remote nice campsite that wouldn't need an off road vehicle to get to.

You realize your attitude is exactly why those other countries are producing as much pollutants as they are? That pollution is the direct result of consumer spending, and the attitude of it's always someone else's fault. That's exactly how those countries' citizens view the US and western Europe. People that buy whatever they want without caring about how it impacts the world, why should they then care themselves? I can't control those countries actions, but I can control my own, same as anyone else.

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Johnwazup t1_ja63ylq wrote

Yeah dawg, imma take that as a no

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