Glc12345 t1_jbr4hga wrote on March 11, 2023 at 1:39 AM

Brokered by China. Maybe this sub should be called News for the Naive.

[deleted] t1_jbrtdob wrote on March 11, 2023 at 5:20 AM

The White House said the Saudis kept the U.S. informed of the talks and that it welcomes any moves that de-escalate tensions in the region. Countries around the Middle East and the United Nations' secretary-general also responded positively to the news.

In other words, everyone who matters is welcoming the news.

Glc12345 t1_jbrwywe wrote on March 11, 2023 at 5:59 AM

That's just normal public relations. It wouldn't serve US interests for the US government to openly say to the world, "Oh man, that sucks. Dislike." The truth is that while de-escalating tensions is a good thing, we are also interested in other things like human rights. China brokered this deal by not bringing up human rights violations... because they are human rights violators themselves. If the cost of peace is oppression, then I personally wouldn't consider that uplifting news. I'd like to think others would agree.

[deleted] t1_jbrxm3n wrote on March 11, 2023 at 6:06 AM

> we are also interested in other things like human rights.

The country allied with Saudi Arabia? Virtually nothing happened when MBS had a journalist hacked up, and nothing happened while Saudis were causing famine in Yemen. I think how selective the US is with "Human Rights" is rather curious.

Glc12345 t1_jbrxw5c wrote on March 11, 2023 at 6:10 AM

That is fair. Let me rephrase: we SHOULD also be interested in other things like human rights. It is bad when we fall short in this regard. Both examples you mentioned are good examples.

CryptoYaar t1_jbsvcnz wrote on March 11, 2023 at 1:23 PM

Sorry to burst your bubble, but the USA's own record in human rights is pretty bad. It would be nice of things can start getting better from within the house.

Glc12345 t1_jbtrbrt wrote on March 11, 2023 at 5:25 PM

By comparison to? The USA at least tries and often fails versus just not trying at all. Also, the USA's record on a lot of stuff is really crappy. Why would I want the USA to do more crappy things like support a China brokered deal that ignores human rights?

CryptoYaar t1_jbvc6nr wrote on March 12, 2023 at 12:24 AM

Again, usa is as bad as China, SA and Iran when it come to HR violations. That is why no one gives a damn when US pretends to be the moral police.