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SkjoldrKingofDenmark t1_jcvy6ud wrote

so that means no more bullfighting, right?


FL_Squirtle t1_jcwzr1j wrote

This.... constant murder of bulls just for their own entertainment and "tradition" is nonsense.


Lionwoman t1_jcx2hvp wrote

Point is that current generations don't like it but there's the old right-winged farts who still support it.


proteomicsguru t1_jcx7wqe wrote

I vote for right-wing-old-fart fights in lieu of bullfights. Could be entertaining while serving a valuable purpose to cull the population of an invasive species.


dictatorillo t1_jcxabb3 wrote

Lefties are governing right now and they are doing nothing about it. Maybe it has more to do than old righ-winged and can include left-winged old farts too...


Mountain_Cut4457 t1_jcxdd3s wrote

It's a fake left, PSOE for leaving hunting dogs, especially greyhounds out of the bill, yes the same greyhounds Spanish hunters are famous for torturing and also murdering. Podemos law the minister of equality to protect women resulted in releasing hundreds of rapists and pedophiles. Also refused to get rid of "the gag law" , which basically took away freedom of speech, and assembly


carlopene t1_jcy5rnt wrote

As spaniard I can concurre. Spain is such a joke. Politics are so corrupt all around the spectre. Left and right, nationalists and independentists, and don't even get me started on the crown... We're geographicly european, but we're so far behind from our neighbord France.. Heck, even Portugal isn't that big of a joke...


MadManJBiden t1_jcx5xu5 wrote

I also find the tradition of “running with the bulls” has become a BS event. Leave the horns as is and let the bulls run wild.


ES_Legman t1_jcx9kx6 wrote

Encierros are very popular amongst foreigners and many don't know that it's just a preliminary activity before being tortured to death.

Pamplona in San Fermin is the most popular one, and it's amazing how ignorant many people is.

It's an abomination that hopefully dies soon enough.


Itzli t1_jcysh33 wrote

This should be higher up so people can know about it


Mountain_Cut4457 t1_jcxd5fy wrote

Very slow, torturous murder, until the animal finally kneels down to die and the Spanish right wingers all applaud. Also shout out to PSOE for leaving hunting dogs, especially greyhounds out of the bill, yes the same greyhounds Spanish hunters are famous for torturing and also murdering


No_Income6576 t1_jcxnaxp wrote

Shit!! The moment I read this I was thinking grey hounds. How are they possibly exempt?? So ridiculous.


Mountain_Cut4457 t1_jcyaq4x wrote

They are also giving each kid who turns 400€ for a cultural event which includes going to bull fighting. And the greyhounds is because they don't eat to lose votes with hunters. They don't actually care about animals obviously. Just votes.


DinosRoar t1_jcxfp1h wrote

The murder of any animal for sensory pleasure is nonsense. You're a hypocrite if you call for the end of bull fights but aren't vegan


lloydthelloyd t1_jcxj1ra wrote

You're an idiot if you think that sort of absolutism is going to convince anyone


DinosRoar t1_jcxkswk wrote

Animal abuse is abuse no matter who does it or where it happens.

If you can only criticise that by crying absolutism then so be it :)


mrs_shrew t1_jcxx298 wrote

There's an old saying "softly softly catchee monkey", it means you should creep up and be gentle when trying to achieve a goal, so by bashing people over the head instead of taking them gently by the arm you're working against yourself to achieve your outcome. The other saying is "catch more flies with honey than vinegar".


katz332 t1_jcy3t61 wrote

We can criticize how ineffectual your argument is. If you cared about changing the mind and hearts of man to help animals, shitting on people doesn't work. You're not actually helping then


MaxDickpower t1_jcxixwr wrote

So what you're saying is I should approve of bullfighting then?


lesboautisticweeabo t1_jcxrehq wrote

I mean yea. They kill the bull regardless of a bullfight or not. Most farms slaughter the bull anyway. If you eat beef, you are part of the problem and a hypocrite


MaxDickpower t1_jcxryua wrote

Got it. I will advocate for animal cruelty from now on 👍🏻


lesboautisticweeabo t1_jcxu3dh wrote

Don't hate cause I'm telling the truth


FL_Squirtle t1_jdpjls5 wrote

I'm not vegan but I am a vegetarian. Working towards being vegan but like.... maybe chill a bit? You have no idea who I am, let alone the appreciation I have for every single life around me down to the fly that most would swat away. Take a breathe and know there are many who care just as much as you do and are working towards true change ❤️💙


DinosRoar t1_jdq6922 wrote

Literally copy paste this comment to respond to your one above and think about how you'd react.

"Bull runs are animal abuse" = claps all around. "Gas Chambers are animal abuse" = whoa maybe chill a bit.


FL_Squirtle t1_jdr8u6x wrote

I'm not saying I disagree with you. But coming off so absolute and aggressive with your responses to people is exactly why others are so quick to discount what you say.


ES_Legman t1_jcx9gub wrote

Man I wish. Unfortunately it's a boomer right wing thing and rich people but the vast majority of the population sees it for what it is.

It will die out in a few years hopefully but it is very shameful that politicians don't have the balls to stop it at national level due to the wealthy.


nameage t1_jcxwb8e wrote

Reminds me of elderly drivers here in Germany with their voting power.


mboswi t1_jcxdnlu wrote

Go to Madrid or just central Spain and ask people about it, not just old people. You will be surprised. When you are risen in this custom...


ES_Legman t1_jcxi6kn wrote

I am spaniard. I lived in Madrid many years. There is still some people who will support it but they are not the majority by any means. It's mostly conservatives and it dies out over time. Just like Catholicism and many other outdated traditions.


Neosss1995 t1_jcxunvj wrote

Brother, as a Spaniard that I am, you are totally wrong


mboswi t1_jcyarwq wrote

I am too. Check how many people support corridas in Asturias, Galicia, for example? How many in Castilla-Leon or Madrid? I'm talking about this. You can check the differences yourself.


ES_Legman t1_jczsdhx wrote

Legality doesn't mean it has wide support amongst all the population. There is a lot of money involved in it and it's mostly fueled by certain families and wealthy conservative people.

Most people under 40 or 50 are not supporting it. Many don't care, but it is not as widely supported as it was 30 or 40 years ago.


mboswi t1_jd21jy4 wrote

So... you are telling me legality doesn't mean wide support, like population do not have the possibility to change legality by voting parties which do not support bullfighting or actually support banning it.

If people in some places don't give a fuck about bullfighting this same people is actually supporting it, since the very moment their passiveness allow it to keep existing. That's why the regulation changes from communities to communities. Go to Galicia and try to organize such a event, and tell me what happens, for example.


Benur197 t1_jcy2zh1 wrote

You have to be a millionaire to live in Madrid center


mboswi t1_jcya43l wrote

I meant central Spain, not Madrid.


CountryGuy123 t1_jcy0dwx wrote

That’s the easy answer, every year watch the videos. It’s mostly young people I hate to tell you.


ES_Legman t1_jczrs53 wrote

Young people in small towns or young people going to encierros like all the foreign tourists do?

Because a lot of tourists aren't aware of what they are supporting.


CountryGuy123 t1_jd88108 wrote

I don’t know if they are locals or tourists- I’m going by the videos showing plenty of young people (and majority non-boomer age) doing the running.


XADEBRAVO t1_jcxalsp wrote

It's nearly dead itself anyway. The number of events has halved in 10 years, it may not survive another 10.


Bring_Back_Feudalism t1_jcxd274 wrote

This. It's alive merely because of lots of tax money. The minute it's not considered an officially cultural event, it'll go down inmediatly.


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XADEBRAVO t1_jcys8u3 wrote

It's literally dying a death, there's barely any tourism for bullfighting now.


Befuddled_Cultist t1_jcwmev8 wrote

They said against animal abuse, not completely fair fights!


Jrowe47 t1_jcx3i13 wrote

Gotta watch those jiu-jitsu bulls when they take it to the ground, those straight hornbars can't be escaped!


arfelo1 t1_jcxjfc2 wrote

Ok. Then have it be 1 on 1, remove the swords and stop drugging the bull before the start. None of these morons would last 10 seconds with an actual, full strength, fully conscious bull


Lionwoman t1_jcx2d07 wrote

I wish, but old farts and right-winged people still like it.


serb2212 t1_jcxutkl wrote

So that means no more slaughtering domesticated animals for food right?


Technical-Mix-981 t1_jdd3gn4 wrote

If you try to abolish bullfighting it will gain support again. It's better to just let the tradition die by itself.


Astroyanlad t1_jcxgp88 wrote

This was probably a reaction to all the animal fucking claims of their last notable law change