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Shame then that they left out the galgos n podencos and made bestiality legal

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so that means no more bullfighting, right?

Wow! It only took them a mere 800 years, too.

I need to stop being so pessimistic about humanity!

Settle down

A step in right direction is still a step in the right direction

They said against animal abuse, not completely fair fights!

Domestic?

Great! Next can we give a shit about farmed animals who are exploited and tortured on the daily…?

Only foreign animal abuse

This law doesn't protect the most abused dogs, those of the hunters, so there's a lot of room for improvement.

Incredible that this has not been law for years already.

Make that a law here in the states as well.

I second this

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Meaning we can still abuse and neglect animals we eat. Just not dogs and cats!

This.... constant murder of bulls just for their own entertainment and "tradition" is nonsense.

Fantastic news. Looks like the world is starting to get that we need to look after mother nature and all her creatures

How reassuring! No worries, carry on.. heh.

No. So let's reduce meat production and increase price...

Yeah, one of the animals that most needed those laws (hunting dogs) and they're left like trash.

I wish, but old farts and right-winged people still like it.

Point is that current generations don't like it but there's the old right-winged farts who still support it.

It is as of 2019 I believe. Animal cruelty is a felony now. One of the few things I supported from the last administration.

Gotta watch those jiu-jitsu bulls when they take it to the ground, those straight hornbars can't be escaped!

Don't know anything about the law Spain just passed. Just chiming in to say ackktually...

The animals we eat are more domesticated than cats. Cows, sheep and chickens were all domesticated roughly 9,000 to 11,000 years ago. Cats have been in the human sphere of influence for only 4,000 years - some scientists speculate 8,000 years but that isn't commonly accepted. Cats and humans don't have the same symbiotic relationship as the truly domesticated animals.

Fun fact - dogs were domesticated between 18,000 and 30,000 (!!!) years ago.

I also find the tradition of “running with the bulls” has become a BS event. Leave the horns as is and let the bulls run wild.

I don't understand one thing and I would appreciate it if someone more intelligent than me could explain it to me: Why have they put a photo of puppies in Santiago de Chile to illustrate a news story about a law in Spain?

Not including hunting dogs really sucks. Poor Galgos.

I vote for right-wing-old-fart fights in lieu of bullfights. Could be entertaining while serving a valuable purpose to cull the population of an invasive species.

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You keep bulls as pets?

Yes, but for legislative purposes this refers to companion animals.

No more donkeys being thrown off towers or birds in pots either?

Sure, all for stricter controls and independent oversight of animal slaughter and meat production.

Man I wish. Unfortunately it's a boomer right wing thing and rich people but the vast majority of the population sees it for what it is.

It will die out in a few years hopefully but it is very shameful that politicians don't have the balls to stop it at national level due to the wealthy.

I’m gonna um acktually your um acktually. Domestic and domesticated are two different words.

Encierros are very popular amongst foreigners and many don't know that it's just a preliminary activity before being tortured to death.

Pamplona in San Fermin is the most popular one, and it's amazing how ignorant many people is.

It's an abomination that hopefully dies soon enough.

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Lefties are governing right now and they are doing nothing about it. Maybe it has more to do than old righ-winged and can include left-winged old farts too...

And lefties who are governing right now

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This law won’t help much.

In first place, it will force owners to take some sort of “classes”, “get a license” or whatever… well, ppl is also have to get drivers license and they still drive like shit. It’s just a paper, it won’t make them better persons.

In second place, the definitions are shit too. “Can’t leave a dog alone for more than 24h”. That is an extreme case, maybe a 1% What about the shitty neighbors that leave the dog alone while they work 8h a day, every single day, dog barking nonstop like it was getting slaughtered and neighbors don’t do shit about it because it doesn’t affect them as they aren’t home? That’s the 99% of cases right there and the law doesn’t do shit about it

Also doesn’t help that police takes hours to come when you call and don’t accept any of your video recorded proof, as the decibel measures have to be taken by an official… who never gets there during the hours the dog is actually barking.

TLDR: this law is shit and will only help in 1% of extreme cases.

It's nearly dead itself anyway. The number of events has halved in 10 years, it may not survive another 10.

I am gonna eat twice the amount of cat bacon now.

Maybe stop giving tax payers money to animal agriculture (subsidies)?

Good

But they’re going to start an octopus 🐙 farm 🫣!! Hmmmm

Shamefully, not yet.

Fingers crossed.

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This. It's alive merely because of lots of tax money. The minute it's not considered an officially cultural event, it'll go down inmediatly.

Very slow, torturous murder, until the animal finally kneels down to die and the Spanish right wingers all applaud. Also shout out to PSOE for leaving hunting dogs, especially greyhounds out of the bill, yes the same greyhounds Spanish hunters are famous for torturing and also murdering

Those motherfucking hunters... My mom imported two Galgo/Galga through an organization that rescue them. Couldn't believe what they went through at first.

It's a fake left, PSOE for leaving hunting dogs, especially greyhounds out of the bill, yes the same greyhounds Spanish hunters are famous for torturing and also murdering. Podemos law the minister of equality to protect women resulted in releasing hundreds of rapists and pedophiles. Also refused to get rid of "the gag law" , which basically took away freedom of speech, and assembly

Go to Madrid or just central Spain and ask people about it, not just old people. You will be surprised. When you are risen in this custom...

Finally, lived in Andalusia and sadly some people were extremely cruel to animals.

Found a box of kittens left out in the full blown heat in Summer. They were in a sealed box next to the rubbish bins. Luckily the bins were full otherwise we never would have heard their cries for help.

I seem to remember reading about a dog find buried with a human, both of them draped in ornate beads, that were dated to around 35,000 years ago, and that there’s some genetic evidence that dogs may have been domesticated as early as 70,000 years ago.

Where are kittens supposed to come from if everyone has to 'sterilize' their cat?

How about no.

Came here to comment the same.

The murder of any animal for sensory pleasure is nonsense. You're a hypocrite if you call for the end of bull fights but aren't vegan

Don’t get your hopes up. This is a comically ill written law that still allows hunting dogs to be treated like disposable things, says nothing about cock fights, bull fights… but hey, you better get your mandatory dog ID or else…

What if I keep my dog to eventually eat?

I lived in Spain for many years, The end of hunting season was always horrendous, The first year I was there I came across 5 dogs hanging from trees in a woodland about 5-6km outside of Marbella, it was shocking the abuse I saw over a decade or so

What!! Why do they do that!

This was probably a reaction to all the animal fucking claims of their last notable law change

Humanity needs to stop being shit

Fuck Spain. Include Hunting dogs in this.

More than 60,000 hunting dogs are brutally and maliciously murdered each year in Spain because of their bullshit superstition that desecrating their animal companions will bring them more hunting success the next year.

They torture and kill these poor dogs who provided them with so much, just because it’s cheaper to buy a new one the next year.

Fuck Spain and fuck anyone who says “oh but things are different culturally”. Fuck your bullshit culture.

https://www.galgoamigo.com/the-plight-of-the-spanish-galgos.html

I am spaniard. I lived in Madrid many years. There is still some people who will support it but they are not the majority by any means. It's mostly conservatives and it dies out over time. Just like Catholicism and many other outdated traditions.

Excludes bullfighting. Ridiculous.

I'm genuinely curious, why are those dogs the most abused? Of all hunters that I knew in my country, their dogs weren't abused.

Edit: just wow, to the replies to my comment. Where is this happening?

So what you're saying is I should approve of bullfighting then?

We did too. Both were traumatized in their own right

They treat them as tools, not allies. Cheaper to buy new ones than to feed them the entire year. They also don‘t really need training since they hunt on their own.

You're an idiot if you think that sort of absolutism is going to convince anyone

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Pets

Ok. Then have it be 1 on 1, remove the swords and stop drugging the bull before the start. None of these morons would last 10 seconds with an actual, full strength, fully conscious bull

Not the first bill of this style. Also won't be the last. But is progress

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So no more factory farms? Oh wait those animals aren't domestic so they don't count.

Those abused neglected farm animals are only isolated cases! Sure there are a lot of them and they constantly crop up resulting in hundreds of hours of evidence footage, but they're all just isolated!

And sure 95% of animals are raised intensively and subject to standard practices which cause intense suffering, but not the ones I buy, I'm totally sure because the label has a happy cow on it.

Animal abuse is abuse no matter who does it or where it happens.

If you can only criticise that by crying absolutism then so be it :)

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If the dog is not good at hunting they consider it dishonors the hunter. So they kill them by torturing them, most of the time by hanging them to trees and burning them alive.

The same Spain that excluded hunting dogs from that law so they can be abused as much as they wish? Roped behind a car running, underfed, tortured, and abandoned? That Spain?

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Jesus. And I thought British fox hunts were bad for abusing their hounds (quite apart from the ripping apart of foxes bit). At least old hounds and non performers get the shotgun, not hanged or burned alive.

Shit!! The moment I read this I was thinking grey hounds. How are they possibly exempt?? So ridiculous.

Or hunting dogs, or keep torturing bulls.

Yo all the people crying for hunting dogs. It excludes them from the general ruling for pets and domestic animals, since they are used for an activity other than companion, like police, army and blind guiding dogs. A hunting dog can be subjected to abuse obviously, but they can’t be given the sabe legal treatment as pets.

Great question! What about the invisible slaughter? Everyone is hyped about the stop of needless killing of bulls, but very few realize that killing the same cows for meat is just as unnessecary and hedonistic.

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Why not? Hunters' dogs in my country have no different legal treatment, only military and police. And even then is almost no difference because animal protection laws are stronger here. The most difference is between pet dogs and guiding dogs since they need to be allowed inside supermarkets, and everywhere. It is perfectly possible and the torture and killings of hunting dogs needs to stop.

Not against hunting and racing dogs though, those still go through hell. Just look up any galgo rescue in Spain, and you'll see the hundreds of dogs that get dumped and or killed yearly after hunting season is over.

Where are you from?

I mean yea. They kill the bull regardless of a bullfight or not. Most farms slaughter the bull anyway. If you eat beef, you are part of the problem and a hypocrite

Still though, fuck the bulls. No protections whatsoever once again.

Got it. I will advocate for animal cruelty from now on 👍🏻

From Wikipedia "Law 32/2007 provides that the government will take measures to ensure that farm animals are not caused unnecessary suffering, and was enacted in order to comply with European Union requirements on farm animal welfare. " https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Animal_welfare_and_rights_in_Spain so while this law doesnt address farm animals other laws do. I cant comment on application or enforcement but it is usual to have different laws related to farm animal welfare and domestic animal welfare since the issues are often different in each case.

That's about time. Some people (not all) are treating the hunting dogs horrendous.

My first dog was from Spain and he was shaking like crazy and was traumatized as hell. I often thought what I would do to a person that does that to such a gentle creature.

Getting him out of that was a lot of hard work and he did not deserve any of this. But he came back into the light and could enjoy his life for another five years with us.

I don't believe in heaven but I would give a lot to see him again.

If you actually read the law it’s not uplifting at all how they decide which animals are exempt from these legal protections. Makes me sick

House animals, as opposed to farm animals which are covered under a different set of laws.

Don't hate cause I'm telling the truth

Brother, as a Spaniard that I am, you are totally wrong

Its funny you think this has any support from spaniards, this is is customary in small towns around "old" spain.

If you asked 95% of spaniards are against bullfighting and against hunting dog massacres, but for some reason the two biggest parties and podemos dont see them as pressing issues that will win them votes and instead focus in rent prices, feminism and minorities.

So that means no more slaughtering domesticated animals for food right?

I'm not hating. I understand that you want us to treat animals cruelly.

Was...was there not one before?

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> Farming subsidies have almost nothing to do with the food a nation needs, and everything to do with how key the farmer vote is. Countries where farmers votes don't swing elections, don't get farming subsidies.

They should also make it animal abuse to own a dog and keep it inside your house all day. Especially in small apartments

Reminds me of elderly drivers here in Germany with their voting power.

I almost rage downvoted you.

No darling. I am a vegan. Don't use your hypocrisy as an excuse to be xenophobic

There's an old saying "softly softly catchee monkey", it means you should creep up and be gentle when trying to achieve a goal, so by bashing people over the head instead of taking them gently by the arm you're working against yourself to achieve your outcome. The other saying is "catch more flies with honey than vinegar".

We eat dogs and cats. 👍🏼

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Spain just recently accidentally legalized bestiality by miswording the statute.

https://www.snopes.com/news/2023/02/24/spain-decriminalize-bestiality/

How about reducing shitty meat production and just keeping premium meat which is already priced high?

Using animals for cheap burgers and crappy sausage is the majority of the consumption, and the meat by itself in those food items tastes like sawdust. It gets flavored with sauces and other crap which could give the same flavor and texture to plant based proteins.

So you don't have to force people to give up meat. Just give up shitty meat and respect the animals enough to buy only high quality meat. (ie. Not pale white chicken meat and fatless lean beef which are the result of unnatural farming practices.) For a lot of people this is a good first step to realizing you don't need meat every meal or every day, like how people had meat only on select nights forever before the industrial revolution.

Lmao its ok, if I wanted to get the real downvotes I'd tell people to just go vegan, but sometimes sarcasm gets the point across better.

Yeah, this law is a small step in the right direction, so small that it might even delay better legislation that could actually protect more animals.

How much cognitive dissonance do you need to say "we love dogs, unless you're talking about hunting dogs, they don't matter".

Look up the abuse Galgos and Podencos. There are plenty of documentaries. The torture is part of their tradition.

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You see, torturing is more fun! The British don't know how to have real fun.

I don't know the law but considering the powerful "ag-gag" laws in the US, I bet that law is a "house pet abuse" law.

You might be the baddie if you need a law to prevent people from knowing the truth about your industry.

What about bull fighting? Just curious about what people's stance on it?

Yup, that Spain. I'm going to Madrid in a few days and am only going to vegan cafes and restaurants. No way I'm giving anyone else my money.

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That’s the easy answer, every year watch the videos. It’s mostly young people I hate to tell you.

You have to be a millionaire to live in Madrid center

And don’t forget the animals used for hunting. You can still abuse and neglect the Spanish hunting dogs… :(

We can criticize how ineffectual your argument is. If you cared about changing the mind and hearts of man to help animals, shitting on people doesn't work. You're not actually helping then

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Look, it's a start. A step in the right direction. By no means enough... Wildlife and farm animals should be the next focus to save. But Spain is further than a lot of other countries. The dog fights and meat trade are awful. So if we can start to lessen the pain of some animals, it's better than not helping any... Save those we can today and continue to fight for the ones we couldn't save, tomorrow. And let's hope this means we'll get some shitty people locked up and their meat trades closed down. Animals are re-homed to good people and appreciated more. As it should be.

As spaniard I can concurre. Spain is such a joke. Politics are so corrupt all around the spectre. Left and right, nationalists and independentists, and don't even get me started on the crown... We're geographicly european, but we're so far behind from our neighbord France.. Heck, even Portugal isn't that big of a joke...

When it’s okay to beat a bit**. Lol.

Never okay to hit your animals.

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Oh boy, it's horrible.

>By tradition, the dogs are often killed by hanging them by their necks with their feet just touching the ground, swaying back and forth causing the dogs extreme pain and agony for several days until they die.

>The hunters believe that the more the dogs suffer, the more successful the following hunting season will be.

They also have this method of "exercising" the dogs where the dogs are all attached behind vehicles and essentially pulled along. If the fall they are dragged. They cull the "weak" like this. But the dogs are already kept in deplorable conditions.

Sadly these dogs are currently excluded from having protection.

I meant central Spain, not Madrid.

They are also giving each kid who turns 400€ for a cultural event which includes going to bull fighting. And the greyhounds is because they don't eat to lose votes with hunters. They don't actually care about animals obviously. Just votes.

I am too. Check how many people support corridas in Asturias, Galicia, for example? How many in Castilla-Leon or Madrid? I'm talking about this. You can check the differences yourself.

https://i.imgur.com/0jYRzby.jpg

A dog barking isn't animal abuse...

I'm not so sure it dies. It would be great, but reality is what it is. Some governments are encouraging them.

https://i.imgur.com/6stMR6p.jpg

>A dog barking isn't animal abuse...

aha. so why is the law adressing specifically abandonement for 24h.? how is it any different than 8h. during 3 days?

ever heard of animal anxiety? you think the dog barks just because the fun of it?

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Wow Spain is a little less like Spain without the S now!

Have you ever gone for 24 hours without food or water?

>What would you say is "abuse"?

Torture and death maybe?

Scroll the comments for ten seconds. Do some googling.

>Have you ever gone for 24 hours without food or water?

it's not just about the food. people can leave dogs for several days with enough food and water and it's still considered abuse. i wonder why.

Please don't adopt a pet.

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Factory farming is shit.

For them the dogs are tools and they treat them as such (or worse). Every year thousands of dogs are abandoned and tortured after the hunting season. Those are the most vulnerable dogs and they have been left out of the law, so hopefully in the future it will be extended to help those animals.

Animal ag is shit.

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Good. Now fix the pet shops. My gf's cousin works in a pet shop in Spain that has puppies and kittens among other things like various birds, rodents, rabbits, etc. The poor things have no interaction or enrichment and spend 24/7 in a tiny box with nothing to do. I think she said one of the birds has been there for years. The puppies are expensive enough that they were there for way longer than they should have been too. Can't imagine the issues they'll have in training when they're finally given a home.

Buddy, I can tell you for a fact that “95% of spaniards are against bullfighting” is outright bullshit.

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Buddy, there are so many absolutely wonderful restaurants out here in Madrid which have the upmost respect for the meat they serve they’d slap you if you left a slice of jamon iberico in your plate. Hell some even keep the meat customers don’t eat and make meals out of them to feed the staff at the end of the night. Don’t put everything in the same basket, there are amazing people out there.