zoinkability t1_ism0k7c wrote on October 16, 2022 at 11:57 PM

Reply to comment by MrOpelepo in On Indigenous Peoples' Day, five inspirational conservation stories in the U.S. by Sariel007

There is a major difference between human societies and nature, namely that we have morals and ethics. If you truly believe that might makes right as a fundamental principle, you basically have to throw out most of morality and ethics. You have to believe that slavery was OK, the holocaust was OK, rape and murder are OK, China’s treatment of Uyghur is OK, torture is OK. After all, they are all simply scenarios where someone used their might to do what they wished.

So: does might really make right? Or only when you are on the side of might?

MrOpelepo t1_ism3zwy wrote on October 17, 2022 at 12:23 AM

I'm going to debate your first premise. Humans are of nature, therefore anything humans can, will ever do, or conceive of is of nature, or natural. Might makes right is a saying that means whoever has more force or power will be victorious, it's a statement of fact, not morality. Slavery existed because one group of people had power over another group, that is might makes right, but it does not make it morally correct.

zoinkability t1_ism8czq wrote on October 17, 2022 at 12:56 AM

OK, ethics and morality are part of nature because humans are a part of nature. I don’t see how that changes anything else about this discussion. Humans still have a sense of right and wrong that does not (as far as we know) exist elsewhere in nature.

In any case you are now getting into semantics. What does “right” even mean if not morally and/or ethically acceptable? If it simply means “what is” then it has no meaning, since nothing that exists can be wrong.

1questions t1_isna1xp wrote on October 17, 2022 at 6:52 AM

Your second sentence is poor logic.

MrOpelepo t1_isnvkam wrote on October 17, 2022 at 11:45 AM

I am willing to confess it is poor grammar. But I am also willing to defend the underlying logic to my death.