Hawk---- t1_itl08n7 wrote on October 24, 2022 at 12:54 PM

Reply to comment by philipp2310 in A city in China is planning an offshore wind farm so big that it could power all of Norway by quellerand

I never said they went full Solar. I said they've committed to full Solar and Wind. It might not sound like that much of a difference, but I assure you there is a massive difference between saying Germany went full Solar and me saying they committed to going full Solar and Wind. Which is true.

Last I checked their energy shares on paper was around a low 50%, high 40% in terms of Solar and Wind. A sizeable share, yet it's been struggling to expand thanks to the innate flaws of Renewables that forced Germany into heavy reliance on Russian Natural Gas.

philipp2310 t1_itl2i8s wrote on October 24, 2022 at 1:13 PM

It's still WRONG. No matter if you bring wind into it or not.

Germany did not COMMIT to anything. They talked a lot about going to "100%" solar/wind but they failed. They only managed to go half way and still subsidized coal. 2.4 Billion€ in 2020 for RWE coal. And yet for example Schott Solar closed its plants during the same time coal got money, because it is not financially useful to build solar in Germany(2012).

The massive difference is, it didn't fail because of any shortcomings of renewables. It failed because NIMBY wind in Bavaria, NIMBY high voltage power lines and stupid coal/gas lobby.

I know for the current nuclear lobby it is such a beautiful image of a failing Germany because of "renewable flaws", but it is just wrong. Germany never pushed with the force towards renewables, that it would allow any considerations (like that).

Imagine Germany would have gone towards NPPs with the same mentality. Do you really think just ONE NPP would have been able to start production with all the bureaucracy and coal lobby in the last 20 years? Just look at the search for a final waste storage in Germany. 50 Years of search, and we got only one failed attempt, billions of wasted money and the "hope" to find a solution in 2032. And TONS of NIMBY in that area as well.

Neither nuclear nor renewables had a chance against the coal/gas lobby in the last 20 years. Lets just hope they learned their lesson, and in another 20 years we will see 100% nuclear in France, 100% renewable in Germany and a wonderful mixture of energy across Europe, just like it has to be to work at all, because "no" 100% solution covers all flaws.