Thorned_Rose t1_itotyh5 wrote on October 25, 2022 at 5:37 AM

There is no draft in Aotearoa New Zealand. Joining a NZ military service is voluntary and the only requirements are that you are 18, be medically and physically fit and be a citizen or permanent/indefinite resident.

(Source: I live in NZ)

grazerbat t1_itonld6 wrote on October 25, 2022 at 4:27 AM

Good question. I can tell younthstnin Canada, there's no draft registration.

It's pretty fucked up that they only register men in the US.

It's also fucked up that all the employment equity programs here are funneling women to STEM (there's a very little for the trades), but all the "dirty" jobs are ignored. We need more men teaching in primary school, and more women driving garbage trucks.

BrockStar92 t1_itq0g1m wrote on October 25, 2022 at 1:49 PM

I always wonder why people complaining about discrimination against men always bring up the draft, as if the obvious solution isn’t just “get rid of it, it’s archaic and ridiculous” rather than “yeah send women to war too!!”

hairynostrils t1_itq3zn8 wrote on October 25, 2022 at 2:14 PM

When there is no war there will be no draft. Until then, women should see that equality is about equal responsibilities as well as equal freedom. Otherwise men are just some sort of slave caste who catch bullets so you can enjoy your Caramel Macchiato

BrockStar92 t1_itq54ey wrote on October 25, 2022 at 2:22 PM

There’s war now. There’s no draft in many countries.

hairynostrils t1_itqaoab wrote on October 25, 2022 at 3:00 PM

This is a child’s understanding of rights and responsibilities

BrockStar92 t1_itqfirh wrote on October 25, 2022 at 3:32 PM

What’s childish? The draft does not exist in many countries, including my own. The idea of the draft is a nonsense that doesn’t understand that training and equipment matters far more than number of bodies. An untrained masse is no more an army than a heap of building materials is a house. How does any of this relate to rights and responsibilities?

hairynostrils t1_itqhwwj wrote on October 25, 2022 at 3:47 PM

As a man in society you are always tasked with providing and protecting. Those are responsibilities. It concerns me that women don’t seem to have the same feelings about their responsibilities to protect their fellow man. So parity or equality should also spread out the responsibility to protect as well as provide. It is a child’s understanding to think a grown ass adult isn’t responsible for that aspect of citizenship.

BrockStar92 t1_itqjtdk wrote on October 25, 2022 at 4:00 PM

>As a man in society you are always tasked with providing and protecting.

This is patriarchal nonsense. You are working from a sexist premise. Men are not required to provide and protect except by sexists. Men and women do not have different rights and responsibilities.

Also being against the draft as a concept does not mean a child’s understanding of the duties of citizens to the society in which they live. If citizens feel they have a genuine responsibility to defend their nation from attack then they will volunteer and a draft is irrelevant. Forced service is not “an individual’s responsibility”.

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hairynostrils t1_itqr0sd wrote on October 25, 2022 at 4:47 PM

You are only considering a reality that doesn’t include You being responsible for providing protection for the citizens of your state- that responsibility is obviously irrelevant in this modern day and age and we have all evolved beyond that - I guess that is easy to think if you aren’t personally on the line to catch a bullet or even more obtuse that a whole gender doesn’t have to deal with that reality at all.

Which is why I always wonder if all these women in leadership positions think like you- and that is very dangerous for young men. Young men are not meat for your protection

Women will have equal share of seats in [New Zealand] Parliament with Soraya Peke-Mason's swearing-in

hairynostrils t1_itombq3 wrote on October 25, 2022 at 4:15 AM