BrockStar92 t1_itq0g1m wrote
Reply to comment by hairynostrils in Women will have equal share of seats in [New Zealand] Parliament with Soraya Peke-Mason's swearing-in by giblefog
I always wonder why people complaining about discrimination against men always bring up the draft, as if the obvious solution isn’t just “get rid of it, it’s archaic and ridiculous” rather than “yeah send women to war too!!”
hairynostrils t1_itq3zn8 wrote
When there is no war there will be no draft. Until then, women should see that equality is about equal responsibilities as well as equal freedom. Otherwise men are just some sort of slave caste who catch bullets so you can enjoy your Caramel Macchiato
BrockStar92 t1_itq54ey wrote
There’s war now. There’s no draft in many countries.
hairynostrils t1_itqaoab wrote
This is a child’s understanding of rights and responsibilities
BrockStar92 t1_itqfirh wrote
What’s childish? The draft does not exist in many countries, including my own. The idea of the draft is a nonsense that doesn’t understand that training and equipment matters far more than number of bodies. An untrained masse is no more an army than a heap of building materials is a house. How does any of this relate to rights and responsibilities?
hairynostrils t1_itqhwwj wrote
As a man in society you are always tasked with providing and protecting. Those are responsibilities. It concerns me that women don’t seem to have the same feelings about their responsibilities to protect their fellow man. So parity or equality should also spread out the responsibility to protect as well as provide. It is a child’s understanding to think a grown ass adult isn’t responsible for that aspect of citizenship.
BrockStar92 t1_itqjtdk wrote
>As a man in society you are always tasked with providing and protecting.
This is patriarchal nonsense. You are working from a sexist premise. Men are not required to provide and protect except by sexists. Men and women do not have different rights and responsibilities.
Also being against the draft as a concept does not mean a child’s understanding of the duties of citizens to the society in which they live. If citizens feel they have a genuine responsibility to defend their nation from attack then they will volunteer and a draft is irrelevant. Forced service is not “an individual’s responsibility”.
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hairynostrils t1_itqr0sd wrote
You are only considering a reality that doesn’t include You being responsible for providing protection for the citizens of your state- that responsibility is obviously irrelevant in this modern day and age and we have all evolved beyond that - I guess that is easy to think if you aren’t personally on the line to catch a bullet or even more obtuse that a whole gender doesn’t have to deal with that reality at all.
Which is why I always wonder if all these women in leadership positions think like you- and that is very dangerous for young men. Young men are not meat for your protection
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