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cote112 t1_iz5pi0y wrote

Will they make it so companies can't just put "40-200k" and consider that as being transparent with potential employees?

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TTT_2k3 t1_iz5rbpf wrote

I was thinking “$1-$100,000,000”

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joeyboii23 t1_iz6s949 wrote

I live in Colorado where this is already a law. Generally when looking for a job if I see a very high band I immediately know that it’s going to be on the lowest end of that and it’s probably not a smart idea to apply for that job. If I see a reasonable pay band I know it’s probably for real and I should apply.

1 - 10000000 would make me immediately skip to the next job post.

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8urnMeTwice t1_iz6x8fs wrote

I saw a Palantir ad that claimed $30k for a developer, why bother?

Many people have suggested CEO pay rose after transparency rules were enacted. If it's good enough for your boss, it's good enough for you

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MtFuzzmore t1_iz76ual wrote

If it’s a remote position and you’re in the US then you’re not their target candidate anyway. They’re shopping for somebody in South America who will do that job for that rate.

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Fenastus t1_iz7613c wrote

Also in Colorado the range has to be reasonable

Not sure of the specifics of that though

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hammonjj t1_iz76de8 wrote

It has to be a “good faith estimate”. I report any job listing I see without a range. Not sure how much good it does but there are supposed to be fines for it

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Fenastus t1_iz76tit wrote

That's all well and good, but there needs to be specific language defining what a good faith estimate is. That's far too broad and open to interpretation to actually be effective. Enforcement would be a logistical nightmare as every company would end up trying to fight it, and companies that actually meant well might get flagged as well

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joeyboii23 t1_iz7pnhk wrote

Yeah I’m not sure what’s defined as reasonable though, because I have definitely seen jobs in range of 50k - 150k. That’s a huge difference for the same job.

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porcelainvacation t1_iz8sfxm wrote

That’s not unusual in engineering, the $50k is entry level and the $150k is 10+ year’s experience.

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joeyboii23 t1_izag52v wrote

Makes sense for some jobs I suppose, but if it’s like a call center you better run.

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vrenak t1_iz5tppu wrote

And to get into the last bracket from the 100k/yr to the 100M/year, you just need to have worked there for 80 years.

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T-Wrex_13 t1_iz746mp wrote

Or you could just waste their time, go through the rounds, and then ask for the top end when you get to the end

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p-d-ball t1_iz749a1 wrote

"I'll take the higher number, please."

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SereneDreams03 t1_iz6sbbg wrote

Possibly, but as a job seeker at least you know what the low end of their offer is. Personally, whenever I am looking for a job that is the number I care about, because that is what I am going to assume they will pay me.

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TheConboy22 t1_iz899iv wrote

Negotiating wages is the best way to get paid. Negotiated myself an additional 10k a year with my most recent job. It’s a bit nerve wracking, but know your worth.

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SereneDreams03 t1_iz8b0g6 wrote

That only really works if you are in a position to negotiate, if they actually value your labor, most jobs are just looking to hire bodies to fill a certain role.

Maybe in your field negotiating a contract is common, but in my field there is not too much wiggle room on how much companies are willing to pay. If one company isn't willing to pay me what I'm worth, I just go to a different company, but that's why it's important that I know the salary range upfront, so I don't waste my time interviewing for a bunch of different jobs, just to find out how much they are willing to pay.

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Dhiox t1_iz9vd07 wrote

I recommended a guy for a job I have, told him what I made and the dude managed to negotiate a dollar extra in pay to what i make, despite less experience and schooling. Now I know the absolute minimum i should be demanding for my next raise.

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Lakersrock111 t1_iz9s749 wrote

I asked and they said no. How are you all negotiating?

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TheConboy22 t1_iza2zst wrote

Confidently. Companies typically ask how much you think the job pays. I always high ball here. When they tell me a price I say that I like the job but for me to make the change that I’ll need to make around x (higher than they offered) they typically try to low mid me and we haggle to a middle rate. That’s my experience on it. You have to have reason to be paid more though. If the job is easily replaced by the next Joe than good luck.

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Lakersrock111 t1_iza8ikz wrote

And which person decides? The hiring manager?

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TheConboy22 t1_izaaa35 wrote

In my scenario. The person who is interviewing you decides. They make the determination if they want to hire you. They have a range of pay they can pay and want to pay you the lowest within that range.

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santascumdumpster t1_iz90d3u wrote

$40 a year is a very, very, very, low, low end

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SereneDreams03 t1_iz9tb5c wrote

That is exactly my point, if a company to list a job as $40,000-$200,000, then I would know that it is not even worth my time to apply because the pay will likely be $40,000.

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DynamicHunter t1_iz6c3ie wrote

Hopefully a median makes its way into these laws. But the minimum posting is far more important than the maximum.

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casicua t1_iz7hplg wrote

The law passed here in NY state this year, and they require “good faith” representation of salary range. I’ve already seen some hilarious ranges on job listings like “$50-150k DOE” or “$70-175k depending on location and experience”

The good news is that if job listings are any indication, I’m being grossly overpaid for my position.

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cote112 t1_iz7ij04 wrote

Exactly why I was hoping one State might learn from another instead of acting like a separate country and making the same mistakes.

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frogjg2003 t1_iz8crq1 wrote

Unfortunately, they only learn from each other when it comes to restricting rights. Actually making life better for the common man is every state for itself.

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pamplemoussemethode t1_iz8oyqj wrote

I work in this field and deal with questions about this law from companies constantly, the "good faith" language is just as frustrating to the people who are asked to post ranges as it is to job seekers. The thing is that what you posted isn't a hilarious range at all...it's actually totally reasonable. It's just that it's covering a mix of multiple levels, and multiple locations.

Imagine a company is willing to hire anything from an L2 to an L4 for a role, in any geo from Fargo, ND to San Francisco, CA. But because they could theoretically hire in NYC, and already have one employee there, they have to post a range for the role. In theory, they could just post the NYC range for the role. But they'd still need to post the spread from L2 to L4, so the range already becomes broad. And then there's the fact that that's not what they'd pay in Fargo, so the range gets stretched even further in order to not mislead candidates in other markets. The result is a really wide spread, usually much wider than what you shared.

No one is doing a good job navigating this. In some cases I've seen businesses create multiple job postings just for specific markets, and give the exact pay range by level so that candidates get 100% accurate information. Then they get flooded with applicants that aren't in that market, and have to deal with wading through the noise, while also managing a bunch of duplicate job postings.

The pay transparency laws are a big positive for job seekers, but right now everyone is still trying to figure out the best way to follow them.

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colemon1991 t1_iz9u0of wrote

Didn't one say $0-$1 million? I remember there was something idiotic like that from a news article. The position even required 3-5 years experience.

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casicua t1_iz9vxr5 wrote

Somehow still less insane than a lot of listings that say stuff like “$20/hr Master’s Degree required”

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Sariel007 OP t1_iz72fhm wrote

If only there was some way of knowing... like clicking the link and reading the article where it clearly spells this out.

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cote112 t1_iz7cwj7 wrote

Yeah I did, it's about getting people taking about it lol

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DoublePostedBroski t1_iz7bae8 wrote

It definitely needs to include language that says that the range given represents a .75-1.10 compa-ratio so that outliers are not included.

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1x2x4x1 t1_iz8zq7y wrote

And then another law saying you need to pay within 20% range

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