weenieforsale t1_izmfzek wrote
I don't get it. No one in history was able to keep their land if they couldn't defend it... still can't. And I don't get the 'I was here first' argument. Well.. what about the people that were here before you? Chances are you took it from them and didn't recognise their claim that 'they were here first'. Also, you know what people did when they first got to Australia? Pretty much hunted to extinction 90% of the fauna that lived here for hundreds of millions of years.
Also when people say this land, or this rock is 'sacred', I also don't understand why in 2022 we still accept this as a factual statement. I don't believe in any religion or superstition, and we should be striving to keep church and state separate. You can believe anything you want, but there is no scientific backing to you saying something is sacred or not, and having it written into law.
edit - this is so weird. I was expecting to be downvoted into oblivion. Very strange for reddit.
verysillyhats t1_izmxlor wrote
Aboriginal Australians have been here at least 60 000 years. Could be 100 000. Forced off land. Hunted and killed. Enslaved (yes it happened) or blackbirded. Culture ripped away as children were stolen and made into second class white citizens. Generational wealth stolen and withheld.
And your gripe is with belief in sacred rocks? It's culture.
weenieforsale t1_izmynsa wrote
Yeah, I think it's at least 80 000 years, so to think that the people that were here when English explorers first arrived, were the 'first people' is insane.
Human beings have been pretty shitty to the environment and each other for as long as there have been human beings. Aboriginal Australians didn't get it any worse than any other populations that were colonized at that time.
verysillyhats t1_izn0p4z wrote
They were ad far as our understanding the first people ? So confused as to your point. I think you may need to read up on indigenous history and better understand what happened. It was brutal.
weenieforsale t1_izn2uu3 wrote
I agree with you, you seem to be very confused. Google 'genocide' and then tell me about brutality, that might be a good start for you.
verysillyhats t1_izn3255 wrote
Lots of indigenous peoples did experience genocide. Look at Tasmanian history.
weenieforsale t1_izn4as7 wrote
Very good, you're almost getting it. Keep reading and connect the dots.
verysillyhats t1_izn4in7 wrote
Silly business.
obooooooo t1_izoh6s0 wrote
insane to go “well, why are the crying? they weren’t the only community who was killed, enslaved, raped, robbed, etc”
no_active_ingedient t1_izo0kmf wrote
I am surprised that you are surprised to not be downvoted into oblivion....you made you position known and it doesn't smell like veiled racism. Reddit, generally, likes to be informed of different opinions- as long as they are a. opinions and not trolls picking fights and walking away, or b. not statements that are made just so someone doesn't overtly come across as racist, homophobic, fascist, etc.
The indigenous people of Australia were there for a very long time and it is suggested that they have a stronger connection to their land than someone that invaded for expansionist reasons only. The invasions of the lands now called Australia, New Zealand, North America and South America were not done with superior war tactics, but with dishonesty, bad faith acters, and smallpox blankets. And to kick them down even more their culture and language (and knowledge-base therein. Invaders that caused genocide (Genghis Khan et al) are mired because of their hubris. Invaders that coalesced to a higher degree (the Roman Empire) are lauded for their military might, but balanced with a degree of integrity.
I have not heard of the indigenous people of Australia hunting to exctintion 90 % of the fauna that was there, but I suggest it less bad than the current dynamic that is sending the entire world to exctintion....
The second paragraph comes from a materialistic mindset; nothing wrong with that but I imagine that you express a degree of respect at a cemetery, or a funeral. Though you may believe it is 'just a dead body in s box' I imagine that you would keep your opinions to yourself around the grieving....? The indigenous people of Australia re not compelling you to believe anything, they are merely saying that a. agreements done in bad faith should have no status, and they not have to 'suck it' as a result, and b. the cognitive dissonance is unfathomable- you came here, tricked us out of lands and because common law has no receipt for 'connected to the land' we have to battle past the term of life of many???. Not having it written into law is the problem, but back in 1788, the indigenous people of Australia didn't have lots and plots, and we still throw terra nullis around like it has no cruel intentions....
weenieforsale t1_izqymgh wrote
Wow, a thoughtful response. I genuinely appreciate it, the only thing I disagree with is:
>Reddit, generally, likes to be informed of different opinions
Over the past 5 years, I have found the opposite of this to be the case.
[deleted] t1_izojjtt wrote
Agree
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