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Far_Vegetable7105 t1_j079o2h wrote

Reply to comment by CE3K in Oregon governor commutes all 17 of state's death sentences by Slavic_Dusa

If murder is the intention unlawful killing of another, then executing the innocent after they're given due process and erroneously found guilty isn't murder. Unless your suggesting that these people were found guilty on purpose because someone wanted them exacuted.

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onioning t1_j07dm7x wrote

You're not wrong, but this is pretty pedantic. The person to replied to just used the wrong word.

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Far_Vegetable7105 t1_j07ei70 wrote

I disagree that this distinction is just pedantry. Using the wrong word so that anyone who disagrees with your position looks like a monster is a rhetorical trick people use all the time. And it's really good at keeping people from actually talking with each other about their opinions and views.

Edit: not saying that this was the above poster's goal with using that word but the correction is not mere pedantry.

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onioning t1_j07f9je wrote

It can be, but in this case replace "murder" with "unjust killing" and that doesn't change anything. The emotional heft comes from what's being described, not how it is being described.

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Far_Vegetable7105 t1_j07fzr0 wrote

They use murder three times the first two are synonymous with 'unjust killing' the last one stops making sense if you sub in 'unjust killing' which is a really really good illustration of my point.

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onioning t1_j07jvxy wrote

"Unjust killing" works fine in all cases.

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Far_Vegetable7105 t1_j07l3n4 wrote

Lets say it does. Then I can say that unjust killing in this case = a certain kind of accident. So the above poster is just flat out wrong but in a way that is masked by using the word murder.

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Bear71 t1_j07tcbz wrote

When the cops DA judge cheat to wrongfully convict then yes it is murder!

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AliasElais t1_j0a4ux3 wrote

>Unless your suggesting that these people were found guilty on purpose because someone wanted them exacuted.

u/onioning does a good job explaining the rest but I just wanted to point out this part and affirm that this has indeed happened. Not the point but if you don't think the death penalty has been used against innocent people on purpose then you really should research more history on the subject.

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Far_Vegetable7105 t1_j0b4a1t wrote

I'm well aware. But I think that particular miscarriage of justice is a wholly different problem that needs to be solved regardless of what any kind of punishment looks like. It doesn't suddenly become ok just because it was some other punishment. We can't just abolished the death penalty and call it good enough if that is the problem.

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