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Grand-wazoo t1_j0i3rzk wrote

This is not uplifting, it’s a ridiculously misguided attempt at treating a symptom instead of holding the actual drug manufacturers accountable for the untold damages they continue to cause.

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agaperion OP t1_j0i4x7b wrote

Are those two approaches toward addressing this issue mutually exclusive? And are either one plausibly regarded as a silver bullet solution?

Or is this a complex problem that's going to require multiple remedies working in conjunction to address all contributing factors?

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WhollyHolyWholeHole t1_j0i9056 wrote

How dare you try to make sense on Reddit! Shame! Shame on you! Be gone from me!

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all_worcestershire t1_j0iu9e0 wrote

Pretty sure most illicit fent is made by criminals. We’ve been trying to hold them accountable for 40 years. Those sly criminals keep getting away.

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BoxOfDemons t1_j0m0lbg wrote

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I thought most street fentanyl is coming from China.

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Scraw16 t1_j0m5h21 wrote

I think that was the case a few years ago, but more recently it’s shifted to mainly from Mexico

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ChemsAndCutthroats t1_j0iy0cg wrote

It's all a result of the war on drugs and of course pharmaceutical companies like Purdue that profit off of addiction. Once the feds started cracking down on opioid prescriptions fentanyl became a cheap alternative. Manufactured in clandestine labs in China, far easier to traffic than heroin. The feds need to step back and the focus needs to be on harm reduction, access to treatment, and education.

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Aspel t1_j0jyqt2 wrote

Honestly blaming the drug manufacturers is also treating the symptom instead of the cause.

People turn to drugs to relieve pain. These people will still be in pain whether the fentanyl exists or not. You're not solving their problem by taking away their medicine.

And frankly there's also the issue that fentanyl is a spooky boogeyman that cops can have seizures over just by looking at and die from touching, so everyone treats it as if it exists only for killing people.

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cKMG365 t1_j0jzbzh wrote

I inject people with fentanyl quite a bit. Several times per week.

It's a great medicine for use by paramedics.

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Ibecolin t1_j0liou3 wrote

I work in the cath lab. I go through dozens of fentanyl vials a day.

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WestCoastSurfGod t1_j0jd28y wrote

That ship has sailed. We still have this problem. It transcends class and race. Fentanyl is a menace.

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PresentationJumpy101 t1_j0o1mbt wrote

Maybe let’s crisper future humans to be highly resistant to addiction!

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WestCoastSurfGod t1_j0o5smd wrote

Unfortunately addiction has less to do with the substance and more to do with emotional pain. The opposite of addiction is human connection.

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PresentationJumpy101 t1_j0o9kwh wrote

Kind of a vicious cycle right, emotional pain increases the desire to use, the substance itself causes structural changes…sober brings intense discomfort, use again…

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WestCoastSurfGod t1_j0o9w8t wrote

Until you’re tired of it and you want to do something different. Process the pain, heal, surround yourself with uplifting people, learn coping skills, take up new hobbies. Unlearning bad habits and practicing good ones.

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WittyUnwittingly t1_j0j6ph8 wrote

As someone who very much dislikes opioids (qualitatively), but might like to partake in a nonzero amount of other recreational substances, not worrying about inadvertently nodding off and dying would be nice.

Obviously this is gross oversimplification, and there are tons of precautions one can take against accidentally ingesting anything laced with fentanyl, but I have no use for opioids; I would gladly pay some pharmaceutical company hundreds of dollars to permanently remove any recreational/therapeutic potential from opioids in exchange for immunity from incidental opioid overdose. Is it possible that I would regret that decision later if I got into a really nasty car accident, for example? Yes, and I'm willing to live with that, and I don't even have tattoos.

I see this as a win, even if it isn't pulling addicts up out of the gutters and fixing their problems.

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Dumbledoordash8008 t1_j0jsa3q wrote

The main drug manufacturers are Chinese and they distribute through cartels. To fight that would require a war with china so the next best thing is to try to keep people from dying.

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agaperion OP t1_j0k4yvn wrote

>try to keep people from dying

This is even better than an antidote; It's being referred to as a vaccine because it actually stimulates immunity to fentanyl. That means there'd be no point in taking it and no point in using it to cut other drugs because it would be inert, altogether negating its function as a cutting agent.

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Dumbledoordash8008 t1_j0k51h1 wrote

You’re right I was just being simplistic. Admittedly I read the article after commenting.

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AftyOfTheUK t1_j0lwc5b wrote

>instead of holding the actual drug manufacturers accountable

Ermm... the manufacturers of the Fentanyl causing all these deaths aren't exactly listed on the NYSE

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