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thejordanhall t1_j1q3cj0 wrote

Avalanches are scary AF from the outside; can't imagine what it's like to live through one. Hope these people bought a lottery ticket soon after.

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EmpressElisa t1_j1q5547 wrote

This would be called a holiday miracle if you were inclined to believe in miracles.

Glad everyone were found safe and alive.

Happy Holidays to one and all

xox

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Available_Username_2 t1_j1q5dt9 wrote

If you are only feared missing, are you really missing? No.

How can you be found if you aren't really missing?

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baphometromance t1_j1q8gdh wrote

This is such a dumb title. I really hope it was just an error in translation.

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Major_t0Ad t1_j1qbprd wrote

Replying to Available_Username_2 (#1,072,801)

Four injured, one seriously. So four people "really" were there. The other six were only visible on a video taken shortly before the incident. Rescue workers assumed 10 missing because of the video. They continued searching until all persons could be identified and asked to call in.

Hopes were already high since no person were called missing by relatives or hotels.

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JHoney1 t1_j1qi3ms wrote

Feared missing? They were missing. They were feared dead lol

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ChaoticGiratina t1_j1qioo6 wrote

That is great news! Suffocating under the snow would be so scary. Rescuers did amazing work man.

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HeeenYO t1_j1qm8vn wrote

I thought it was summer down there

Edit: Guys it's simple. Didgeridoo. Common avalanche prevention. Best practice, really.

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Tiruvalye t1_j1qmxqo wrote

A burden was lifted from me today after I read it earlier this morning. Thank you so much for reposting this very uplifting news!

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gyarnar t1_j1qoa2q wrote

I fear missing myself.

I'm glad they were found.

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3riversfantasy t1_j1qpbw8 wrote

Replying to JHoney1 (#1,074,495)

It said 10 people were on video shortly before the avalanche, the worry was all 10 had been in the avalanche, 6 of the 10 were identified and located but were not in the avalanche, so feared missing makes sense...

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atlas_eater t1_j1qzv37 wrote

As a backcountry skier one of the scariest things about avalanches is that they are almost completely silent. They can break trees and if you are skiing below, you would have no idea that it was coming for you unless you saw it.

Last year my group saw an avalanche and knew that there was a group in that area as we had left the parking lot at the same time and chatted with them.

They made it to the ridge and had lunch and dropped in, they were on the ski out, back to the parking lot when we ran into them. We had seen the slide, called search and rescue and started up towards the bottom of the slide expecting to be digging them out, but found them on the skin track.They were completely unaware that the slope they just skied had slide right behind them.

Apparently just as they were about to drop in a solo skier showed up at the top and skied the same line and triggered the Avi on top of them.

We all went back to the debris pile to try and find the solo skier and he was there, he was uninjured and looking for the skiers we were with. He definitely shit his pants though.

The avi had snapped trees that were probably 10 years old making this a particularly large one that had overlapped its historical path.

I would estimate it at a class three based on the volumn of snow in the debris pile.

The Avalanche was triggered in the alpine and this dude was lucky that he triggered it below himself, or he would have been dead, the scary part is all the skiers that went before skied the same line.

Back country skiing is a lot like playing mine sweeper, but if you hit a trigger the slope slides.

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djsedna t1_j1r0pze wrote

Replying to 3riversfantasy (#1,075,430)

Reminds me of that mountain hiking party who all just randomly went missing and were never found. There's just one last incredibly surreal video of them silently trekking a sheer mountainside. That's all anyone really knows.

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djsedna t1_j1r8gqt wrote

Replying to bronxbombers5 (#1,077,929)

It was the Martin Moran party in 2019. They did end up recovering some of the bodies and a GoPro, which shows that last bit of footage. It's assumed that the narrow path they were crossing in the video gave out shortly after the filming ended and caused an avalanche.

Googling Martin Moran video will probably find it. It's totally SFW, just some climbers trekking. But the implication is surreal.

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SoundlessScream t1_j1rbiq7 wrote

I thought this said australlia and I was like "When did australlia get snowy mountains wtf"

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1ce9ine t1_j1rdm1x wrote

Replying to 3riversfantasy (#1,075,430)

If they were found, wouldn't they be missing? I think feared lost might have made more sense. Like when you are missing your glasses, looking all around, and they were on your head the whole time... they were missing, but not lost?

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SargentSnorkel t1_j1regbm wrote

They weren’t FEARED missing. That’s the second one doing this on the same story. Fucking karma posting bots.

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amazingphrasing t1_j1remp9 wrote

Replying to SoundlessScream (#1,078,457)

we actually have a snowy mountains. it’s not anything compared to the Austrian / Italian / Suisse/ French alps. But, you can ski and it does actually snow. Perisher and Thredbo are the main places to ski in Australia. They’re great fun, nothing spectacular, but skiing through eucalyptus trees is pretty cool.

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Spikole t1_j1rgqpq wrote

Do they still use Saint Bernards to help there? Monks trained them to go out in groups of three males in the alps many years ago. If you could walk they would lead you back to the monks, if trapped and unable to walk two would sit and keep you warm and one would go back to get monks for help. Long haired saints are a result of rough winter they mixed with Newfoundlands for thicker coat. These coats froze and weighed them down killing them not helping them and they quickly went back to short hair only. The long hairs we see now like in Beethoven are actually just a mistake that didn’t work out. They’re able to sniff someone below ten feet of snow… mine was great at hide and seek when he used his nose.

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furiouscowbell t1_j1ridxf wrote

Replying to 1ce9ine (#1,078,738)

Feared missing would be you were out and you get a phone call saying that your house has been broken into. You fear that your dog is missing so you race hope but the dog is still lying on his back on the couch.

The dog was never missing. You were afraid he just duffed off.

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furiouscowbell t1_j1rivm6 wrote

Replying to Available_Username_2 (#1,072,801)

Yeah, you can be.

  • You and your friends are known to be walking on a trail
  • You do not have a radio
  • Authorities are informed that a bear, an apex predator, is high on cocaine in your area.
  • Authorities do not know if you are missing or if you are still on your hike.
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X3ll3n t1_j1rjsa0 wrote

Finally some good fucking news

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SlyguyguyslY t1_j1rnl9o wrote

Epic! Some actual uplifting non-political content, for once!

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kfh227 t1_j1roxo3 wrote

Feared missing?

Like... They didn't know they were missing?

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lineasmg t1_j1rqcuf wrote

Replying to Snakend (#1,079,533)

Not quite. You have 9 minutes without oxygen before you get irreparable brain damage. Hypoxia will kill you you way faster than the cold will. Getting crushed is a mild concern because the snow is much lighter than you think.

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n33daus3rnamenow t1_j1rt1f3 wrote

Replying to kfh227 (#1,080,246)

There was a video that showed up to 10 people being swallowed by the avalanche. Turns out that a few managed to escape off camera and make it down the mountain unscathed.

Emergency services didn't know that at first and kept looking for all 10 people in the video.

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ColinKennethMills t1_j1rwjhi wrote

Replying to djsedna (#1,076,931)

Maybe this type of last image is common. The first time I started being aware of avalanches was when the climbers Jonny Copp, Micah Dash, and Wade Johnson were all killed in an avalanche in the Himalayas. I remember seeing the last photo on their camera and it was eerily lit, predawn, with a faint figure walking through the snow into the dark.

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pessimistic_platypus t1_j1rwu7q wrote

Replying to YoudontknowSMIT (#1,081,120)

Avalanche snow isn't a fluid; I'm pretty sure it isn't typically going to get forced down your throat, and definitely not into your lungs.

But if the snow is dense enough, you still will run out of air eventually.

According to this study, most people buried in avalanches do die because they run out of air, but it sounds like it's a lot slower than drowning, so there is a better chance for rescue if people get to you soon enough.

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pessimistic_platypus t1_j1rxkn4 wrote

Replying to Snakend (#1,080,832)

Only up to a point; air doesn't move as freely in snow as in, well, air, so you do eventually run out of oxygen if you can't create a sufficiently-large vent to the surface.

This article says that 70% of fully-buried avalanche victims die of oxygen loss within 35 minutes without an air pocket, and after 90 minutes, even air pockets aren't enough (unless they connect to the outside atmosphere).

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patxy01 t1_j1rzq8a wrote

Great!

Do you people know if kangaroos were involved also?

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jihadi_adruk t1_j1s0bc9 wrote

Going skiing near Lech in a couple days! Glad they’re all ok

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kelp_forests t1_j1s4319 wrote

Replying to pjshaw1995 (#1,081,766)

I think everyone is talking past each other and the real answer is if you survive without a life threatening injury, your main issue is oxygen for, then “shortly” afterwards, cold.

Source: ER doctkr with no ski experience, open to corrections.

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1_small_step t1_j1s4azf wrote

Replying to Snakend (#1,080,832)

In avalanche hardened snow, you run out of oxygen in around half an hour.

About half of all avalanche deaths are by suffocation, the other half is due to trauma. No one dies in an avalanche due to freezing.

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x15vroom t1_j1s50s9 wrote

Ok I love this sub, that’s so rad!

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ZeldasDad t1_j1s7f3f wrote

And reposted from the Apollo app! Yay!

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amitym t1_j1t6sw3 wrote

They were not "feared missing." They were missing.

They were feared dead.

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DuelOstrich t1_j1trla5 wrote

I don’t think people understand actually how impressive of a rescue this is. Even if they were wearing avalanche transceivers, a 10 victim scenario would be chaos. I’ll be very interested to learn more about the actual rescue and how they were able to pull this off!

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atlas_eater t1_j1tt5qt wrote

Replying to DivinationByCheese (#1,088,579)

I don’t disagree with you, the problem is that people don’t get adequate avalanche training, and have very little idea how to navigate in avalanche terrain, much less disseminate an avalanche hazard report.

For me, I take at least one avi or ski mountaineering course a year and only travel with experienced backcountry skiers or split boarders. And once the season starts, it’s full on, skiing, planning missions, watching the weather, and having the patience to wait for the snowpack to consolidate after a storm , then checking/ recording snowpack observations as we move through the terrain.

People think that skiing in the back country is laid back, but it’s anything but. It’s about planning checking gear and waking up at ungodly hours in order to summit before the sun comes up and starts warming the snowpack. It’s about knowing when to back off and having a back up plan. It’s about respecting the slopes and getting home safe.

the fact is if you ski enough you will get caught in a slide at some point, or have to deal with an injury way out in the middle of no where, it’s about mitigating the hazard and knowing when to huck and when to take a granny line.

There is a steep couloir line that I have wanted to ski for about three years now and I have been up to it about 10 times and still have never skied it, because it’s exposed, and has no where to exit or stop.

Usually on these slopes we leap frog between islands of safety, but this line it has to be shredded top to bottom,it’s a no stopping steel legger, it’s so sexy, fast and dangerous it will be extremely rewarding when it hits.

Ski touring/ mountaineering is fucking awesome, it’s not a hobby and that’s the problem, people think it is something they can jump into every once in a while, it’s not. It’s a way of life during the winter.

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UndeadBBQ t1_j1tvk2x wrote

Everytime I read something like this, I can't overstate how much I love that we have these largely volunteer troop of mountaineers who won't hesitate for a second to basically sprint up a mountain to go looking for everyone and anyone whos missing.

Absolute madlads.

If anyone feels inclined, here is a donation page for them:

https://bergrettung.sicher-helfen.org/brg/spende-bv/?cf=www

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JackRusselTerrorist t1_j1ufs97 wrote

Replying to Snakend (#1,079,533)

Snow is a great insulator, actually.

In the small space you’ve got to yourself, your body heat can make a pretty comfortable cocoon. It’s actually recommended that if you find yourself stranded in the wilderness in winter, that you make yourself a little snow cave for shelter.

The crush isn’t as much of a concern, because that happens right at the beginning. Once you’re crushed by an avalanche, you’re not doing much more worrying.

The main concern is CO2 levels in your little cavity. Each breath you take makes the aid you’re breathing a bit more toxic.

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JackRusselTerrorist t1_j1ugbzf wrote

Replying to pjshaw1995 (#1,081,766)

Generally speaking in any collapse/land slide/ avalanche/ etc. your best bet is to be on your hands and knees, to ensure you’ve got a void beneath you that your chest can expand into, and have a little air pocket.

In an avalanche, having your back to a ledge is your best bet.

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PristineBiscuit t1_j1v05sa wrote

Replying to JHoney1 (#1,074,495)

...If I had to guess, this was likely a translation issue. "Missing" translated from what was meant to mean "lost", "lost" as in "deceased".

So, in German: "Vermisst" instead of "Verloren"

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Muntjac t1_j1vhyab wrote

Replying to Spikole (#1,079,163)

Iirc, they haven't used St Bernards for their original purpose since the late 1800s or early 1900s. After the darn Victorians got to them and did their usual kennel clubbin' pure breedin' shenanigans, the modern dogs are nothing like the original rescue dogs, which were smaller and more varied (and tbh the modern dogs would be pretty crap at the job). Back when the dogs were originally used, and before the newfies were brought in to help save the breed after avalanches killed a bunch of them, the monks didn't use a proper stud book or anything like that. They kinda just let the best workers breed, no matter how they looked.

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ybdiel OP t1_j1zogfd wrote

Irony is that the day I was posting this one of my friends died in the snow while climbing up Olympus mountain in Greece. Although the story is in Greek, google translate will work, so i am leaving this here as a memory

Wish you all attempting such feats to be safe and extra careful.

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