naazzttyy t1_jcvbfa1 wrote
Reply to comment by chiefswoneaglesloose in The US government killed Lummi orphans for their land. White people continue to live on the murdered orphans land. This is the land that is beachfront in the middle of the reservation. by chiefswoneaglesloose
Nah, my man… I think you are just a bit obtuse and missed the point of my comment entirely.
naazzttyy t1_jcvbvvh wrote
And your essay is entirely valid and brings to light horrible things the US government did.
But your counter to u/not-picky is part of the problem. By dismissing the first part of what he answered with, and only replying the the second part, you missed an opportunity to engage with someone who was clearly interested enough to read what you wrote and engage with you on it.
not-picky t1_jcwq541 wrote
Well here's an alternate version of the story:
The islands up to Orcas were disputed by French and Americans at the time when French Catholic Missionaries committed atrocities and forced assimilation religious schools, later Americans took the land, and created the reservation system. There were many injustices, but that history is older than this story.
In the last century, Washington land wasn't super valuable outside of logging, and some people of the Lummi nation are struggling and sell the title of some costal land for money, thinking little of it. In the 90s tech makes it big and there's a population boom, suddenly costal development of nice homes are incredibly valuable, and developers are putting in homes in Sandy Point - a strip adjacent to Lummi nation.
The tribe now feels like its unfair, they ought to be paid a lot more of this now-very-valuable land. They claim the sale was not valid, the land is still Lummi. Although there are records of the sale on the American side, the Lummi story is that the sellers were orphans, part of the tribe by heritage but without written records. They weren't authorized to make such a sale, and so it should still belong to the tribe, the sellers were coerced because of medical debt. Now it's a he-said-she-said story, not that the land was sold but about the unverifiable nature of the tribal status of who sold it, and if that was a valid transaction. Because these homes are a strip alongside the reservation, the tribe then moves to cut water to the disputed land in retaliation. Without access to the outside utilities, the hope is to makes the land worthless to the developer and they can then buy it back to develop themselves and profit, but the developers sue and win the case after many years in the WA courts.
"As Leroy Deardorff, a Lummi natural resources officer, puts it: 'There are big bucks to be made out here.'"
Lummi nation passes around the tale of these orphans. In today's telling, they were murdered by white people! It's suspect that this particular tale doesn't appear to be told until the development dispute happened. Now salty chiefs wander reddit to tell the tale of evil white people stealing land, which is somewhat true in the long run, but the specifics of it change over time and 'white' just means anyone non-native. At this point Lummi nation identifies as 40% white, but those clinging most strongly to that heritage see anyone outside of reservation land as an oppressor and to blame for the theft of native lands and their modern problems. But mostly money.
You can read a 20-year-old telling of it here: https://www.washingtonpost.com/archive/politics/1996/06/10/a-battle-of-rights-on-the-reservation/166b7f7e-e86f-4dcd-92e9-dc76b615757d/
not-picky t1_jcwti55 wrote
And while I'm talking to myself on a dead thread. The politics of the Salish Coast people gets even more interesting. A faction of people with tribal heritage left their tribes, but now wish to be recognized as a new tribe: the Duwamish. With the modern reparations movements, they believe anyone living in modern Seattle ought to be paying them rent: https://www.realrentduwamish.org So you can kind of see what the focus of this group is.
However the Muckleshoot, Puyallup, and Tulalip tribes already claim this land as their ancestral home. Coincidentally they each run profitable casinos and get special access to fishing rights. If another tribe was recognized, what would they give up? They took out https://www.therealduwamish.org to try to smear the former group.
So it's nuts out there with inter-tribe politics, but the common thread is that money and business come with ownership of tribal heritage and land. It all feels a little disingenuous - it's cultural panhandling.
chiefswoneaglesloose OP t1_jcvdm8o wrote
This person doesn’t understand why history is important to remember. That’s a problem.
shooketh_not_stireth t1_jcveb1b wrote
Ok, why is history important to remember. What do you expect people to actually do with the information you've provided?
chiefswoneaglesloose OP t1_jcvej93 wrote
When did you learn about the lummi kids being murdered
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