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[deleted] t1_irw60s0 wrote

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duckduckohno t1_irwdmu4 wrote

The federal government says they are endangered.

The state government says they are endangered.

Local NGOs say they are endangered.

Local news say they are endangered.

Some random redditor says they are thriving and not endangered and offers no anecdote or source.

Guess which one I don't believe.

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azdood85 t1_irwl4q2 wrote

The local NGO?

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duckduckohno t1_irze5ov wrote

Non-government organization. Think of your local rotary/Lions club or a non-profit as an example of an NGO

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BarLiving t1_irwxvdf wrote

If you don’t like the laws in this country, you can leave.

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tnakahara t1_irx38nt wrote

Now do the 2nd amendment.

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tylerthehun t1_irx8f9s wrote

That's the right to bear arms, not wolf arms. Stay in school, kids.

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BarLiving t1_iryf6j0 wrote

Do I tell that to the guns in my gun safe, or did you think that I’m not a combat vet, hunter, and gun owner who is tired of this far right pissant PaTrIoT bullshit? Talk is cheap.

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IsXp t1_irz4xkk wrote

Genuinely curious, why do avid hunters hate wolves? My family in the PNW who hunt elk and deer always talk about the Wolves returning to the PNW by the state as a horrible act, but all news stories seem to paint the regrowth as a positive thing?

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Leather-Mirror-86 t1_irzg7vs wrote

It's not all avid hunters, it's just hunters who choose to ignore the science and data. Plenty of hunters love wolves and want to see them on the landscape, myself included. It's also important to note that they were not returned to the state via human introduction, but rather through natural population dispersal.

This topic is a huge pain in the ass because it's so divisive. Take a look at the comment section. Folks love to reference the Yellowstone wolf story but also love to leave out any other environmental factors that led to greater QA regeneration in the GYE. Folks love to spin the lie that WDFW introduced mutant wolves that have been running roughshod through deer and elk herds while simultaneously depleting cattle ranchers of their livelihoods. Others think that it doesn't matter what ranchers want, because they shouldn't be allowed to raise cattle anyway. Some think that wolves on the landscape means that kids will be getting picked off on their way to the bus stop.

There's a middle ground somewhere in this mess, but it's incredibly difficult to get both sides to come to the table when both sides can point to utter bullshit being peddled by the other side.

Sorry for dumping all of this in response to your genuine question. I just can't reply to every comment.

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