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[deleted] t1_irwe9xj wrote

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aj_thatdude t1_irwkhex wrote

This comment is the relevant one. We put them in areas that aren't fully rehabbed and expect them to not go after farm animals? Laughable. They are doing what comes naturally.

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[deleted] t1_irwlgj7 wrote

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aj_thatdude t1_irwlpby wrote

It's what we as humans did with mountain lions after stepping foot in this continent. Those in power continue to make stupid uninformed decisions

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aj_thatdude t1_irwnyov wrote

You're right, I should clarify, dumbass white colonizers (I'm white, it's embarrassing) and not the indigenous peoples that had full on civilizations happening here. They lived in harmony with nature

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Crackertron t1_irx8n31 wrote

They're not uninformed, they're greedy.

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aj_thatdude t1_irxgouc wrote

Greedy, yes. But if they're not getting all the information (which in the case of people this greedy) then they are also highly uninformed as they only want info that suits their needs.

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[deleted] t1_irxpips wrote

>I’m literally saying that we need to do our due diligence to repopulate them.

There has been significant due diligence. It's not like they sent a barefoot hippie into Montana to lead a couple wolves back on a leash they bought 50% off from Chewy.com. Scientists have studied this for decades.

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sleeknub t1_irz8dq3 wrote

Native Americans actually haven’t lived here very long, according to the current understanding of anthropology.

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sleeknub t1_is3fxga wrote

Yeah 15,000 years is a blink of an eye from a broader evolutionary perspective. Humans have lived in much of the rest of the world for much, much longer. Even seemingly remote places like Australia have been occupied by humans for many times longer.

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bwc_28 t1_irwne5d wrote

>maybe we should put them in a different area where say you don’t have a bunch of people who quite literally wish death upon them?

Or maybe we address the real problem, ranchers unnecessarily killing wolves due to misplaced fears of lost profit despite the fact the government reimburses them for lost cattle. The wolves aren't the problem, the ranchers are.

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[deleted] t1_irwol27 wrote

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bwc_28 t1_irwpzg1 wrote

Because relocating entire packs isn't easy and you're assuming they won't deal with the same misplaced fears wherever they're moved to. You say the ranchers are without question to blame but your suggestion simply cows to their desires and doesn't even attempt to address the root cause of the problem.

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[deleted] t1_irwqz3a wrote

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bwc_28 t1_irwruvy wrote

It's almost like ranchers are the problem. The entirety of US history has cowed to their desires which is why these wolves are endangered in the first place. Have you stopped to question if grey wolves would even be able to thrive in the areas ranchers want them relocated to? It doesn't seem like their well being is of any real concern to you, just avoiding conflict with ranchers who have spent decades creating the current situation.

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bwc_28 t1_irwukgr wrote

The solution isn't to move the wolves but to get rid of the ranchers and punish those severely who poison and kill wolves. Seems pretty simple to me. Ranchers are an antiquated product of American greed and shortsightedness, and are far from a necessity.

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bwc_28 t1_irwxsto wrote

Beef is absolutely not a necessity to feed Americans. The reality is Americans eat far too much red meat already, which numerous studies have shown is bad for your health and the environment.

The sole purpose of ranchers in America today is to make money. And their profits are at the expense of declining American health and our natural resources. This response proves your original comment was true

>there’s probably something way above my head that I’m not factoring in and I’m a dumbass.

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wdbmr t1_irwykmb wrote

Hope you have a good day dude!

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bwc_28 t1_irxjgql wrote

So you were really just looking for affirmation that your idea of relocating wolves is the solution 🙄

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erleichda29 t1_irxcwyb wrote

Pretty sure most of our beef comes from corporate factory farms, not small scale ranchers.

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erleichda29 t1_irxcrx0 wrote

What makes no sense is ranchers using public property to create private profits. Is there some reason you think ranchers deserve to keep doing this?

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wolf1moon t1_irwoogp wrote

Um, where are you suggesting? We've cut into their territory so much. They need a wide range and enough of it to maintain genetic diversity. Plus, they don't stay put where you drop them

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[deleted] t1_irxpc4h wrote

>But at the same time, it’s kind of a crummy deal being that people that live in these areas can barely coexist with them.

They can barely co-exist because they choose not to respect the wolves' territory. It's like me spending time in my neighbor's backyard and saying it's really too bad that I can barely maintain a good relationship with my neighbors.

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