Submitted by doberdevil t3_zhf651 in Washington

I've seen and voted on citizen initiatives in WA state and I believe there are some good ideas to put to the voters, things lawmakers would never put forth themselves. I'm thinking about putting one (or more) together.

Anyone have any experience with the initiative process? I suspect it would be pretty involved and would require a lot of work for an individual. I can do the research to see what needs to happen, just looking for feedback from anyone who's done it or know someone who has. I'm just a guy with a day job and hobbies, but I also believe that I should be the change I want to see in the world.

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vhat_vas_that t1_izlzffl wrote

You can read about the general process on the Secretary of State's website. The specific criteria is informed by constitutional provisions (ctrl/cmd + F and search for initiatives) and state law.

Anecdotally I can tell you it's really ^#$%ing hard. For instance, the first obvious and raw hurdle is getting at least 8% of the number of votes cast in the last gubernatorial election. After 2020, that number is about 325,000 valid signatures. You typically need a buffer to account of signatures that Secretary of State's office invalidates for various reasons. So let's round that number up to 400,000 or more. Let's say you give yourself 2 years to get that number and work every day of those 2 years getting signatures. At a theoretical constant rate, you need to gather about 550 signatures each day. That's a lot, so let's say you gather a posse of 10 volunteers to help out. That's still 55 signatures each day. For 2 years, every single day.

In other words, it helps out a lot to have an organization, strategy and funding. But then once you get into the organization game you have to navigate internal politics. I'm not kidding that people will spend literal years of their life doing this as a full time job for causes they believe in.

You also have consider the various "gotchas" the legislature his built into the process. For instance the petition you have to print must abide by various requirements. Unfortunately the newspaper printing business has taken a few hits in the past couple of years, and so it's actually pretty expensive printing thousands of specialized, one-off petitions for people to sign.

I'm not saying all this to discourage you. Getting initiatives on the ballot is a super admirable and great way to participate in democracy. The whole reason for them is for us to get around the BS in the legislature to get stuff we want implemented. But it's worth knowing what it takes and what it means for you personally.

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doberdevil OP t1_izmqesv wrote

Thank you so much for this insight, this is exactly the type of info that I was looking for. I assumed that it would be a lot of work, but it sounds like it's a lot more than I thought.

I understand the part about signature gathering but didn't want to focus too hard on that at the moment because I know what a challenge that would be. My goal with this post was to get an idea of how hard it is outside of signature gathering or whether that is the biggest obstacle. Sounds like it could be the biggest obstacle, but the rest of the process isn't a walk in the park either.

Not discouraged yet, but I think it would be good to take some time to do some research and determine if there are others with the same ideas and collaborate.

Really appreciate you taking the time here!

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Piddy3825 t1_izm0fgq wrote

Been part of the process on more than a few occassions and lemme tell you it's a rats maze of bureaucracy, red tape and often subjective rules. Then even when you get all your ducks in row and meet the criteria and manage to get on the ballot and even get your measure passed by the voters, the folks in Olympia will just do what they wanna do anyway...

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Pepita09 t1_izmwl2a wrote

You're also going to need a lawyer with experience with state laws (RCWs) to help you draft the initiative. Some initiatives (even the well funded ones) end up being a pain in the butt to enact or enforce because they contradict existing RCWs or somehow violate the state constitution.

For example, I-502, the initiative that legalized recreational marijuana in 2012. The Legislature had to go in and clean up a lot of stuff before it could actually be implemented, in part because of how it was drafted.

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