Yeah Roger you see big strong 6 foot guys break down and cry and I've seen little guys work their ass off day in and day out on deck. All in the mind if you don't have the drive for it you won't make it through a season. Sorry to hear about Jeff Hathaway and the rest of the crew I'll never forget the day I heard about the destination and the day I heard about the scandies. Always saw the scandies and it was such a beast I fell in love with that boat the first time I saw it.