Submitted by Gehrkenator22 t3_101r2t4 in Washington

As indicated in the title, I'm looking for any advice for a speeding ticket I received today on I5 by Everett. I moved to WA a few months back and am very much still learning the system. All advice is greatly appreciated.

The big thing is that I was definitely not speeding. I was deliberately going 60mph at most miles before passing where the officer was due to surrounding traffic, which my fiancée can back up as well. Despite this, said officer is trying to claim that I was going 72mph, even though he had someone else pulled over less than a minute before he'd pulled me over.

The entire event seemed extremely off. It took maybe 2 minutes from the moment I was fully stopped until I was handed a ticket, which is light-years faster than anything I have ever seen in the past. The officer's demeanor was disingenuous from the start and the officer was rather condescending, making snarky remarks whenever given the chance during the brief exchange we unfortunately had.

Something I wonder is that maybe I was mistakenly pulled over as I was being passed by people going quite a bit faster than myself; 10 mph over is what we had very briefly discussed moments before everything happened.

Regardless, I am baffled that this happened and fully intend to contest this. Any advice at all would be very much appreciated, even if it's a simple "you're screwed". If there's anything I haven't mentioned (which I'm sure there is) that would give helpful context, please let me know and I will reply with the information as well as update the OP. Thank you for your time!

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pallesaides t1_j2p1ceu wrote

Hope he doesn't show up to the court date when you contest it is basically your only hope, maybe hire a lawyer, but that's gonna end up costing more than the ticket so it depends how badly you don't want it on your record I guess.

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Beowoulf355 t1_j2p1pu8 wrote

As someone who has had over 25 speeding tickets I can relate but going to court to fight it is a low success proposition. You can try one of those services that help you fight. Take a look at Ticket Doctor if you want to fight it. All else fails, take traffic school so your insurance doesn't go up.

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Piddy3825 t1_j2p45oy wrote

Did you have your phone on you? Turns out Googles mechanics have a good pretty good gps tracking mechanism that records your movement and you might be able to look up the history of the route you were driving? just a thought, but you could use the time positioning details to bascially calculate speed showing you were traveling at a lawful speed and not over the speed limit. Besides that, I'd also consider going to court, just by showing up it's almost gauranteed to get the ticket reduced and if the officer doesn't show up to court then it'll probably been even better.

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WrongWeekToQuit t1_j2p52oa wrote

  1. Contest the ticket. Check the contested box and mail it in. It doesn't hurt to do this, and gives you time to see what evidence they have.

  2. Once you get your court date notice back, make a Request for Discovery and get the officer's notes and all proof of the infraction. Make sure that request is certified mail or some other traceable method. Look online for the language to use.

  3. If you get the requested materials, review the evidence. Since it sounds like the officer lost sight of you, they will need some proof that they measured your speed and tag number (e.g. laser photo) so they knew they were pulling over the right car and not something similar. If there's no proof that it was your car, or if you don't receive the materials by the court date, go to court and request a dismissal.

  4. Since the ticket was issued quickly, there's a chance you were measured by another officer. They sometimes work in teams on I5 with one officer on an on -ramp/overpass or airplace, and a group just chasing down drivers handing out tickets. These usually can be thrown out as heresay unless the ticket is issued (along with notes) from the measuring officer.

  5. Even if they have proof, since you claim you weren't speeding, testify as such. Bring any evidence you have. Dashcam, passengers, etc. If this is your first offence, I've seen judges accept a defendant's testimony and lower the fine or dismiss. This is a last ditch effort, and low chance of success, but I have seen people admit to speeding but "had a screaming kid in the back", or "really had to pee", get let off. Really depends on the judge.

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danirdaniels t1_j2p5f1a wrote

I passed through that speed trap. Go to court, ask for a deferral and take the hit on the chin.

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LongDistRider t1_j2p5qkp wrote

Take the deferment and don't get another ticket.

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Capable_Nature_644 t1_j2p7gva wrote

Hire a lawyer specializing in this type of thing. If police see you violating rules of the road and doing speed limit is being unsafe (due to weather conditions or traffic) yes they can pull you over. Most you can do is request a court date, do your research and fight it.

As another post suggested you can request the officer to show up for the court date (for the rebuttal) and they don't show they generally waive it. 8/10 times I've heard my friends say they don't show because they're too busy to take time out of their schedule or never get word of it. (I suggest my friends that get tickets in camera areas to do this because the one assigned cop to those cameras often can not show up for the date.)

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YewSonOfBeach t1_j2pb0gf wrote

Get a lawyer, have it taken down to not wearing a seatbelt, pay the lawyer, and NEVER have it on your record.

Remember to pay the lawyer.

Dafuq? Y'all new?

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trailrun1980 t1_j2poj7h wrote

I used an online service that links you with local lawyers, it was about the cost of my fine but money back guarantee, and a chance. It was dropped within days of filing

Your mileage may vary (it was" off the record", I am unaffiliated with it )

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pyrotek1 t1_j2py3em wrote

I suggest an attorney. If I were dealing with it. Subpoena the officer and any notes or records from the incident. You may need to submit the request to the judge. Snohomish county is better than most. If they missed any item on the form or miswrote the plate number, note this. If the subpoena was proper and the officer does not show, the judge is likely to dismiss it.

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AleshiniaLivesStill t1_j2py9rn wrote

I hired a traffic lawyer for something very similar and it was actually a bit less than the cost of the perceived infraction- I just googled “traffic ticket lawyer (my area)” and called a couple to inquire about their fees. Saved me the fine and my insurance going up.

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shebringsdathings t1_j2q27f7 wrote

Sounds like maybe a hidden speed trap clocked you independently of this cop?

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Tromavilcitizen t1_j2q8227 wrote

Request a discovery for your traffic violation. It requires writing a document and submitting it to a few offices. By law they are required to give you all the details about the stop including the equipment that was used and the last time it was calibrated. Most often they will not send you this info. If you file the paperwork properly and don’t receive the request info then you can tell the judge to dismiss the ticket as you were unable to prepare for the hearing. Good luck. I successfully had two tickets dropped by Requesting a Discovery.

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mjarrett t1_j2q9rgd wrote

If this was King County, I'd say suck it up and take the deferral. They have their ticketing business fully optimized, and even the best lawyers struggle to dismiss tickets.

But this is Snohomish County. Contest it. Your odds of winning outright are much better here. I've only ever contested with lawyers, but you could try yourself if you're feeling bold.

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ChampagneStain t1_j2qc52t wrote

I once chatted with a guy who was an attorney on the list for Microsoft employees - apparently low-level representation is an included benefit there? Anyway, he said he dealt with this kind of thing all the time and was almost always successful in getting them dismissed. So even if your employer doesn’t offer this, it’s probably worth finding a lawyer. It might cost a bit but hopefully less than the ticket. Good luck!

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ChampagneStain t1_j2qczd0 wrote

Related: I was once pulled over in an old beater for reportedly going 92 MPH. I respectfully asked the officer to look at my car and tell me if he really thought it could go that fast (it would vibrate like crazy by 70, so, no). I didn’t get the speeding ticket but of course he cited me for a non-working tail light instead. Just saying they definitely make mistakes. Contest it.

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insanecorgiposse t1_j2qduf6 wrote

I used to do infractions for many years as a criminal defense lawyer but no longer. They are very easy to win. If it was sno co call my friend Rick Merrrill.

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Rocketgirl8097 t1_j2qg4xs wrote

Once you get to court request a deferment. This will keep it off your record if you have no other infractions for a period of time (I think it's one year).

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halley823 t1_j2qh5t9 wrote

Have you gotten a ticket here before? If not, then I would recommend getting it deferred. In 2020, I got pulled over on I5 and sent it in with a request to defer it. It ended up getting completely tossed out due to lack of evidence. It was similar in the sense that the officer quickly pulled me over and issued the ticket. I don’t think he accurately clocked my speed either.

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anybodyiwant2be t1_j2qk9dk wrote

One day I went from Western WA to Eastern WA to go trout fishing and on the way home I got a speeding ticket I wanted to get out of.

I went to the website www.nolo.com for legal information (and not just random people’s opinions). Here’s what I learned and how I beat it:

A ticket is like any other legal proceeding and you are entitled to due process. That means the same rules that apply to any trial apply here. Specifically, you have the right to see any evidence the prosecution has (called discovery). So I immediately sent a letter to the prosecutor (this was in Kittatas County) via certified mail (so I would have proof they received it). I requested copies of the traffic report or any write up by the officer or other evidence.

I also read that you should always take a ticket without making a big deal out of it so you are not memorable (I blew that part). As for requesting reports on the model and calibration of the radar gun, my fuzzy memory is they usually calibrate daily so this can be a waste of time/effort and just piss a judge off.

The prosecutor has 30 days to reply. My court date was something like 31 days after the letter was received so I was cutting it close. But I never got a reply by my court date.

I went to court and when it was my turn I asked for the case to be dismissed because the prosecutor had failed to reply to my request for discovery. I gave the judge a copy of my letter and the documentation they had received it (printed off the USPS website). No officer was present. Case dismissed

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idontbelonginhere t1_j2qqon8 wrote

Which court? Everett Division of the District Court? Also, which agency stopped you? WSP has dash cameras but you’ll probably have to be quick about demanding the footage. Even then, the camera may have been “malfunctioning” or deleted already because it’s not a criminal stop.

Feel free to dm.

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BananaWeekly9383 t1_j2r96cq wrote

Rick Merrill attorney out of Everett I usually pay him 200$ an he goes to court for you 9 times out of 10 gets it dismissed or lowered to non traffic violation this price was 5+ years ago but google him call him ask him definitely worth it to keep your driving record clean & lower insurance costs.

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lurker-1969 t1_j2t4207 wrote

While my daughter, little miss lead foot was on our insurance we made her pull money out of her own savings account to hire this Attorney gal to get her tickets reduced to non speeding violations. She spent about $2400 on 10 or more tickets. Some people never learn. She is 28 and still gets tickets.

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AleshiniaLivesStill t1_j2u471v wrote

10 tickets?!?!?!? Holy shit yeah that’s a bit much. I’ve had two in my life (one at 19 and one at 35). Didn’t contest the one at 19 (cuz I did it) but had the traffic school opportunity. The one I got when I was 35 was the one similar to OP’s situation. That’s the one that the lawyer got dropped completely for me.

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