Commented and requested a response. We'll see what the reps for my district think.

I like that this bill requires a licensed profession to administer the dose as opposed to simply legalizing the sale like with weed.

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left a comment for my 3 reps in support of the bill.

"In this era of worsening mental health I think it's even more important for legislation to put an emphasis on equal and equitable access to treatments known to be beneficial, regardless of any stigma associated with them."

done, i use it for CPTSD/ Depression and anxiety. it should be sanctioned so others can benefit. Not everyone can take those magic pills.

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For anyone on the fence about this subject, i highly suggest watching the Netflix documentary “fantastic fungi”

Been trying to get recreational Cannabis growing for ten years.The legislature tends to focus on things that get them the most votes.

Done and Done. Thank you for your work!

Thanks for sharing. I just did it.

Having a sober stranger observing me while experiencing the effects of psilocybin sounds like a recipe for a negative experience. I’d rather my elected officials recognize that they have no business controlling my body or mind, but I guess this is a step in the right direction.

What a strange time we live in that our state legislature is simultaneously ignoring explicit rights protected by the federal and state constitutions while proposing legislation that blatantly ignores the federal governments laws on controlled substances. Wild.

Or take 5 grams, in a dark room, with silence and all electronics turned off. Life changing.

I just commented! I argued that not only would this benefit mental health survives but it would also open doors for scientific research on Psilocybin which could benefit the entire country.

Thanks for letting us know about this!! Sent my comment to all 3.

As a disabled veteran with CPTSD I am in support of this bill. I would like to have the opportunity to have the treatment my psychiatrist thinks I should have but cannot because of an outdated law that has not been in touch with the medical community. This medical treatment can help me integrate better with my community, my husband, and family. I might be able to work full time again. There is the far reaching chance it could help with my pain disorder. But we do know that science and the law are out of touch and this law needs to be passed for people to get the help they need.

5 for a newbie? too much. 1g is a much more safe first dose :)

No thanks 😂

Where do you even get it in the first place? 😩

Lol. Just posted something similar. I was going to print and distribute flyers to everywhere that would post them. Anyone have a flyer already designed?

I totally get it. Remember, we had medical marijuana before it was legal too.

Are there any studies on how the Oregon law has been going?

I’m still going to vote yes but I’m curious on how it’s been for Oregon so far.

Still bummed the last one didn't get through. We should have been the leaders here instead of following Oregon and Colorado.

trusted friends

Oh. Well fudge. I'm agoraphobic, so lacking in that department. 😭 😂

Done!

Nah fuck this. Not paying thousands of dollars so some quack who sponsored the bill can cash in.

This isn’t about medicine it’s about freedom. The government shouldn’t be telling you what substances you can and can’t put into your own body, we recognize bodily autonomy in so many other ways just not this one.

But in many states once marinol came out they did away with any plans for legalization cuz they could point to it and say “there you go, it has all the same effects but without giving you reefer madness or distrusting our supply of slaves”

You can read the bill here. It doesn't do that. At all.

https://app.leg.wa.gov/billsummary?BillNumber=5263&Year=2023&Initiative=false

And here we stand with talk of federal cannabis legalization.

Yeah PM me.

This isn't for people who already have access, this is for grandmas dying of cancer who don't trust mushrooms grown in your friend's closet.

So legalize it like alcohol or marijuana and sell it in a store. The government should have no say in that besides the taxes.

Yeah “services” lol aka hokey bullshit that you can’t use insurance on and they charge a ton of money for.

How much is an hour of standard counseling…… now multiply that by 8 minimum and you should start to see what I mean.

As someone who would love to provide that service, I would strive to make it as affordable as possible. I want to help people more than I want to get rich. If I can make as much as I make as a full time RN and pay a solid wage to any employees, I would be fine.

Imagine saying that with weed, it’s a fucking joke to do this special-interests-only version of legalization. We don’t need daddy government looking over our shoulders like we’re misbehaving children.

I’ll take the black market 10/10 over this bill and hope it doesn’t pass. It’s just like the Ohio weed bill.

Ok. Thanks.

I would only vote support for this IF: it was in-office use only, not for external pharmacy fill or use at home. Doors security present. Taxpayer money did not fund it. Administering in a session was done with and monitored by a licensed therapist or professional, not a tech or self proclaimed expert. There were medical physicians to take vitals and respond to any situations. No walk ins or self referrals, or self diagnoses- must be referred by a licensed psychologist/psychiatrist. Patients were expected to handle themselves maturely on social media etc. Taking psych meds isn’t something a lot of people are open/bragging about. But I feel like people would just brag about this. “Yoooo bruuuhhhh no CAP my shroom sesh was straight BUSSIN” 🙄

I did this and it ruined me for a couple years lol. Kept having flashbacks and disassociation issues. Never had any anxiety or panic attacks before that one trip

I’m all for this being legal and used as medicine but results will vary. That place (you know the one) can be wonderful but it can also be a hellscape

Done.

>Hello, and thanks for taking the time to read this little message. I am urging you to support SB 5263.
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>Please help the people get the mental health assistance they desperately need. Both the beautiful state of Washington and the entire country alike are dedicating unprecedented resources to solve problems like homelessness, opioid addiction, and gun violence. Yet year over year, we only hear the statistics going up. At some point, we need to step back and look for a true underlying cause rather than throw money and people at the symptoms. The real cancer killing our great cities from within is a mental health crisis that pushes people towards homelessness, drugs, and violence.
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>It's time for a change, and you have the power in your hands to help make it happen. Will you be the catalyst for a brighter future for our state? The ongoing criminalization of psychedelic medicines is an affront to Washingtonian values. Personal liberty on both spiritual and recreational endeavors must be preserved in the spirit of frontier adventurism. Remember: no victim, no crime

I mean, no taxes would be cool, too.

Done. I tell my doctor I need this treatment and he thinks it’s impossible to happen or that’d I’d have to leave the state to get it. The dam things grow in my yard but I’d still like to try a medical treatment.

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How noble of you. Pretending to care about grandma just so you can get high.

I am ten toes my dude.

Ive seen that you can get away with legally purchasing online from mainstream sites the means to grow such mushrooms 🍄. It will take some months and you need the space to do it. Or you can learn how and where to find them naturally but be SURE and be SAFE.

You realize this isn't a recreational model, yes?

Sure. Neither was “medical” booze during prohibition or “medical” marijuana.

Well if you want to lock people up for using drugs that's your call. Frankly I think it's fucking idiotic.

Without cultural normalization you never reach that point.

Anything short of full decriminalization is regulatory capture for the medical and pharmaceutical industries. If it’s highly (and needlessly) regulated, only those who can afford >$1000 a session could access.

Responding for visibility and have sent in a response in favor of the bill.

Done! I used some cut/paste as well as adding my own:

"Psilocybin treatment is increasingly acknowledged by the scientific community as being instrumental in achieving positive outcomes by many people who suffer from post traumatic stress disorders and depression. This can be a valuable tool for many. Please consider supporting the passage of this legislation. Eventually I would prefer full legalization, as has been done with marijuana. For the record, I have never use Psilocybin in my life, but I believe it has a huge benefit for veterans and those suffering with PTSD, so having the option in the medical toolkit would be fantastic for those who suffer."

Read the bill FFS, it's not long at all and actually does most of this. The only "self-proclaimed expert" here seems to be you.

I’m in favor of decriminalization of all drugs. But turning a sacred medicine into a commodity and branding it as therapy or a “cure all” for mental issues rubs me the wrong way. People have gone to jail for possession and cultivation of these substances.

And now the state wants to sanction it so yuppy doctors can charge people for mushrooms? No thanks.

I'm all for it. It's classified as a schedule one drug which means it has no medicinal value. That is a lie. Psilocybin mushrooms offer many health and cognitive benefits that should not be ignored. Don't listen to me, Don't listen to your government. it's important for people to make their own educated decisions based off experience and research. I do believe like many other things in life one could be irresponsible and reckless which could endanger themselves or others. But with a proper set and setting and even a proper guide someone could experience years of therapy in a matter of hours or going on a trip with our leaving home.. Don't be afraid to press the reset button

Thank you. I was reading through this bill wondering how much will someone have to pay to get their “legal mushroom therapy”. I’m doubtful insurance companies would cover mushroom related treatments either. I would rather support a decriminalization bill.

I think the Oregon proposal is two therapists. My non-psychedelic therapist bills $180 an hour, so we’ll use that. $180 x 2 = $360/hr x 6+ hour trip = $2160. Lets really shoot lowball for preparation and post integration at 2 hours each for one therapist. 4 x 180 = $720. 2160 + 720 = $2880 per session, with 2-3 sessions needed. $5760 to $8640. That’s probably very low end.

That’s not even counting the logistics, security, and dispensing of the dose to the patient. Mass commercial production really wouldn’t make financial sense unless there was some sort of novel patent on a compounded formulation, say psilocybin and a mild sedative or anti-nauseal, which would come with its own Pharma-branded price tag. Total Customer Lifetime Value is low since they’ll likely not do multiple multi-session series, so price that accordingly. $100 a session is probably insanely low, so now you’re $6000-9000 deep. Add in overhead, insurance costs, etc. We’ll lowball that too, at 10% markup… $6600 to 9900.

Build that out with a whole scheme of credentialing, training programs, state regulation burden, etc. It’s not hard to imagine the dollar signs flashing in the mind’s eye of investors to build that out, and of course, price in their risk for this emerging market.

Compare to $4 of Uncle Ben’s rice, $10 for two bricks of coco coir, a $3 plastic tub, and a $15 syringe of spores/culture. $33 will get you 2-3 flushes per tub, with enough coir and spores to run 4-5 crops to heal your entire extended family many times over.

Regulatory capture is absolutely INSANE for something you can grow in your closet, which is impossible to overdose, rapidly creates immunity/tolerance, and is anti-addictive. Absolutely batshit crazy.

Excellent movie. I highly recommend checking it out. And then watching "Have a Good Trip" which is a terrific documentary asking famous people about their experiences with psychedelics.

For Fantastic Fungi I love how they talk in depth about mycelium and it isn't until the tail end of the movie that they bring up the positive uses for psilocybin. Draw in all the nay sayers with other scientific facts linked to fungus. And then hit em with the dirty truth they don't want to hear.

Ah yes. Only make it legal if big pharma gets to continue to exploit peoe with depression and PTSD. So long as big daddy D gets to control what grows naturally in the ground. Right?

Oh no, a downvote, but can’t show me where I’m wrong.

I suppose the rationale is that this bill is a stepping stone towards recreational legalization. Like how marijuana was first legalized medically, then decimalized, then legalized recreationally.

I guess I don’t want to admit that medical legalization is a necessary step because the heal are industry is so messed up in this country :/

Maybe supporting this bill is the best move

I really think it’s different. You didn’t have 10 different hands, patents, and other IP in every nug of week quite like the pockets funding the studies and therapy schemes for every proprietary pill formulation. You bought it and you took it home. I’m not convinced that those interested and well-funded parties will be so quick to relinquish control and NPV of those investments once the money starts flowing. Likely, they will use their capital to extend their protections through rent-seeking regulation. Is it better than nothing? Sure. But decrim is far better.