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Smzzms t1_j40wbwu wrote

Reply to comment by Radiant_Resident_579 in We have a chance to help people AND profit. by SmbdysDad

It’s not a cure all for mental illness. A lot of people seem to think a trip will get rid of your derision or anxiety, but it could very well make it significantly worse.

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Radiant_Resident_579 t1_j415ol8 wrote

No, it is not a cure for mental illness. But many people have had significant improvement from depression, and other mental illness from pscilocybin treatments.

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Smzzms t1_j41oz9u wrote

And then tripping becomes a crutch to get through daily life. Next thing you know, people are microdosing every day, and it becomes abused.

I speak from experience with these types of people. One of my old roommates was like this and had multiple suicide attempts. The psychedelics were just another way to escape what he was really going through. We need people who are grounded in reality, not with their heads up in the clouds.

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PepeLePuget t1_j42rn71 wrote

So everyone is like your old roommate, whose abuse of illegal substances and pattern of self-harm is a lesson of what not to do and very much what supervised therapeutic treatment is intended to treat?

Do you expect someone with a broken body to not use a crutch? Are they supposed to suffer the indignity of dragging themselves around by their two or three good limbs just so you can feel better? It seems like your version of reality is wholly detached from the experience of others.

Fun fact: managing pain, trauma and disability is an important part of healing and survival.

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Smzzms t1_j430gp8 wrote

Mushrooms aren’t a crutch. That’s just the thing. A trip isn’t gonna cure your ailments. It’s going to make you think differently for a bit, but when it wears off you’re back at square one. No one needs to do mushrooms to “survive.” You’re out here romanticizing powerful drugs.

News flash, everyone is “detached from reality.” They’ll be even more detached from reality when they’re on mushrooms. You and I obviously don’t share the same world view when it comes to powerful psychedelic drugs, and that’s okay.

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PepeLePuget t1_j43bdym wrote

> Mushrooms aren’t a crutch. That’s just the thing. A trip isn’t gonna cure your ailments. It’s going to make you think differently for a bit, but when it wears off you’re back at square one. No one needs to do mushrooms to “survive.” You’re out here romanticizing powerful drugs.

Crutches don’t cure ailments either. Crutches help people function when they can’t stand or walk on their own. If they put their crutches down, they’re back to not being able to walk. No one needs crutches to survive. No one needs to be a dick on the internet either. You’re out here minimizing the usefulness of tools that help some people function.

Being physically unable to function and being mentally hung up on something that’s completely demoralizing aren’t very different. Some people go to church for that sense of hope. Some people feel like religion is gross and manipulative. Some people do yoga or play music or any number of things. Some people go to therapy and take powerful medications. Some peopl appreciate a substance that allows them to see and think differently because it helps make further growth possible. Some people don’t limit themselves to a simplistic view of the world.

Some people who don’t understand the power of psychedelics or the mind, who aren’t curious about either of them and who don’t think a psychological condition can prevent a person from overcoming trauma like to think there’s no way anyone could benefit from them, but those people are in fact wrong.

Edit: added something

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Smzzms t1_j44b9lm wrote

I’ll agree that mushrooms can be a powerful tool, maybe we will disagree on what it means to be “functional.” I don’t think people tripping helps them function better. I do like how you mentioned that psychedelics can be a tool for growth, I’d agree there. In my experience, people don’t recognize when it’s time to put the drugs away and focus on other tools for personal growth. Drugs shouldn’t be a long term solution.

I don’t want the only legal method of consuming these mushrooms to be with a yuppy doctor who is so far detached from the cultural significance of entheogenic plants, and calls it “therapy.” This feels like a grift.

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Careless-Internet-63 t1_j439k76 wrote

Is an antidepressant a crutch to get through every day life that deserves the same scrutiny? Just about any psychoactive drug can and will be abused by someone, that doesn't mean they can't help when taken properly under the supervision of a professional. It's not worth discarding a potential treatment because people might abuse it

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Smzzms t1_j449xni wrote

You may be right about not disregarding therapies because someone might abuse them.

The main issue I have is that I don’t want the only legal method of consuming these mushrooms to be with a yuppy doctor who is so far detached from the cultural significance of entheogenic plants, and calls it “therapy.” This feels like a grift!

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SmbdysDad OP t1_j41q9cx wrote

Or the psychedelics we're an attempt to deal with what we're crippling.ental health issues. Don't believe me, look at the research.

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XoomBF t1_j415zgx wrote

It could very well make it better. It very unlikely will make it worse. Its your mind just choose.

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AstroBoi7 t1_j49z183 wrote

With legalization, we can have proper education

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