PepeLePuget t1_j42rn71 wrote on January 12, 2023 at 7:51 PM

Reply to comment by Smzzms in We have a chance to help people AND profit. by SmbdysDad

So everyone is like your old roommate, whose abuse of illegal substances and pattern of self-harm is a lesson of what not to do and very much what supervised therapeutic treatment is intended to treat?

Do you expect someone with a broken body to not use a crutch? Are they supposed to suffer the indignity of dragging themselves around by their two or three good limbs just so you can feel better? It seems like your version of reality is wholly detached from the experience of others.

Fun fact: managing pain, trauma and disability is an important part of healing and survival.

Smzzms t1_j430gp8 wrote on January 12, 2023 at 8:45 PM

Mushrooms aren’t a crutch. That’s just the thing. A trip isn’t gonna cure your ailments. It’s going to make you think differently for a bit, but when it wears off you’re back at square one. No one needs to do mushrooms to “survive.” You’re out here romanticizing powerful drugs.

News flash, everyone is “detached from reality.” They’ll be even more detached from reality when they’re on mushrooms. You and I obviously don’t share the same world view when it comes to powerful psychedelic drugs, and that’s okay.

PepeLePuget t1_j43bdym wrote on January 12, 2023 at 9:50 PM

> Mushrooms aren’t a crutch. That’s just the thing. A trip isn’t gonna cure your ailments. It’s going to make you think differently for a bit, but when it wears off you’re back at square one. No one needs to do mushrooms to “survive.” You’re out here romanticizing powerful drugs.

Crutches don’t cure ailments either. Crutches help people function when they can’t stand or walk on their own. If they put their crutches down, they’re back to not being able to walk. No one needs crutches to survive. No one needs to be a dick on the internet either. You’re out here minimizing the usefulness of tools that help some people function.

Being physically unable to function and being mentally hung up on something that’s completely demoralizing aren’t very different. Some people go to church for that sense of hope. Some people feel like religion is gross and manipulative. Some people do yoga or play music or any number of things. Some people go to therapy and take powerful medications. Some peopl appreciate a substance that allows them to see and think differently because it helps make further growth possible. Some people don’t limit themselves to a simplistic view of the world.

Some people who don’t understand the power of psychedelics or the mind, who aren’t curious about either of them and who don’t think a psychological condition can prevent a person from overcoming trauma like to think there’s no way anyone could benefit from them, but those people are in fact wrong.

Edit: added something

Smzzms t1_j44b9lm wrote on January 13, 2023 at 1:50 AM

I’ll agree that mushrooms can be a powerful tool, maybe we will disagree on what it means to be “functional.” I don’t think people tripping helps them function better. I do like how you mentioned that psychedelics can be a tool for growth, I’d agree there. In my experience, people don’t recognize when it’s time to put the drugs away and focus on other tools for personal growth. Drugs shouldn’t be a long term solution.

I don’t want the only legal method of consuming these mushrooms to be with a yuppy doctor who is so far detached from the cultural significance of entheogenic plants, and calls it “therapy.” This feels like a grift.