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airwalker08 t1_j41kukv wrote

This will increase arrests and prosecutions but do nothing to reduce drunk driving.

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VaeVictis997 t1_j41o9ty wrote

This would in fact vastly increase drunk driving by redefining it.

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airwalker08 t1_j41pohs wrote

I think you miss my point. This law won't modify behaviors. People aren't going to drink more or less, nor will they make different decisions about driving, and alcohol-related collisions will not go down. The only thing that will change is how a person is handled when pulled over. Yes, this will translate into higher numbers in stats, but not real-world behavior.

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VaeVictis997 t1_j41q8yp wrote

Right, that was exactly what I was saying. Right now in theory someone who was pulled over for a .05 isn’t drunk driving. With this they would be.

I agree it won’t change behavior. It’ll make the state and a bunch of private rehab companies some revenue, at the cost of a number of ruined lives. And less wealth all around of course, but hey, the private treatment places got their cut.

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zer04ll t1_j41tnsh wrote

Gotta love mandatory free labor aka the US prison system

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VaeVictis997 t1_j41u42q wrote

It’s not like it’s even a good way of extracting revenue! The state is going to get way more out of someone being employable in the long run. Plus not paying all the social costs.

But someone being a functional citizen and paying taxes makes no money for the prison and rehab industries.

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zer04ll t1_j41v5lm wrote

for profit prisons should be illegal. If we could close those then we could make laws and punishments that help society instead of providing capitalists with slave labor. The 14th amendment did not get rid of slavery, it made it legal if you are a prisoner. After the 14th amendment Pinkerton forces were formed to catch black people and immigrants breaking "town laws, codes, statues" in order to imprison them for free labor. This expanded into Police forces. Sheriffs are supposed to be here, cops not so much. Cops are the slave catchers for Americas continual use of slave labor so UNICOR can make half a billion in sales every year. Prisoners produce 11 billion worth of goods every year

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VaeVictis997 t1_j41vkeu wrote

I mean, it’s not like sheriffs function any differently.

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ImRightImRight t1_j43ptiz wrote

Disagree.

By your logic, why make drunk driving illegal at all? Or why not raise the limit?

Anticipated consequences have a deterrent effect on decision making.

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airwalker08 t1_j43r7cy wrote

You've chosen to take it to an extreme and act like the small change being proposed is somehow equal to your extreme suggestions. That is a logical fallacy. My point is that this small change will have no effect. Your suggested extreme changes would have an effect. They are not the same.

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ImRightImRight t1_j43wv0p wrote

Decreasing the limit by almost half is not that small of a change.

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IKeyLay t1_j443g07 wrote

It could be argued that people are less likely to “risk it” when the limit is lower. I have seen people convince themselves that they are fine even if they get pulled over cuz they only had a couple drinks. If the limit is lower then people might rethink their ability to stay under the limit and try to drive anyway

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