Viewing a single comment thread. View all comments

FirstOrderRouge t1_j6fal8r wrote

What does justice look like, in your opinion?

21

PM_me_spare_change t1_j6fz7z9 wrote

Not OP and not an expert but I think some things people advocate for is the end of qualified immunity, requiring police to carry personal liability insurance, increased training, ending programs that give local police military weapons and vehicles (that cost way too much to upkeep and are entirely unnecessary for local law enforcement), regular de-escalation trainings, better whistleblower protection for cops that see their coworkers abusing power. These are just a few things that can help prevent cases like this which should never happen ever.

7

FirstOrderRouge t1_j6g0r9a wrote

That’s fairly generalized police reform rhetoric, very little of that applies to the case that’s causing the protests. QI has nothing to do with this case; it doesn’t apply to criminal charges and all 5 cops were charged. The police department where they were charged experienced budget cuts which affected budget for training, and experienced lowered hiring standards which led to those cops being hired in the first place. Everything following the assault worked pretty smoothly as far as justice is concerned. Even his family said that this should be the blueprint for all police involved criminal homicides.

7

PM_me_spare_change t1_j6g4f65 wrote

Well I took a stab at it, like I said. Not OP, not an expert, just a dude living where cops kill lots of people

9

Rob__T t1_j6gneox wrote

I'd agree with your last point if it weren't for the fact that police are trained to be militant in the first place. 'Better training' could very well have meant 'being sure to not get caught'. The idea that police training would have been a good solution here is a bad premise from the outset. The fact that David Grossman still gives talks and is popular speaks volumes to the issue. The police are a brutal military force and, the vast majority of their jobs need to be replaced with social workers who understand mental health and harm reduction issues.

3

Cheap_Coffee t1_j6hv3z7 wrote

All we really know is that it apparently doesn't involve criminal trials.

0

FirstOrderRouge t1_j6hvodc wrote

How not? All 5 former officers were arrested and charged.

2

Cheap_Coffee t1_j6icycb wrote

Justice, to me, means all five officers charged and and given a criminal trial.....

I was answering your question about what the OP thought justice looked like.

1

FirstOrderRouge t1_j6id61k wrote

Then your form of justice has been served. I think that’s a very reasonable ask, all things considered.

2

New_Analyst3510 OP t1_j6gajn0 wrote

Good question and theres one answer, conviction

−3

FirstOrderRouge t1_j6gaoe0 wrote

That’s what the trial is for. Something that protest won’t speed up or change the outcome of.

6

Cheap_Coffee t1_j6hvb7a wrote

Then you are tad early in your protest.

I'm thinking it has more to do with attention-seeking.

2