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Deathpaloma t1_izoeogb wrote

Everyone has their passions and hobbies. My passion was always to kill, now before you get all spooked, and start thinking of me as some sort of animal that can't control himself or a master mind of crime like Hannibal Lecter, don't. I am just a regular guy, like any other, except that what I love is to kill, the sensation of power, is inebriating, I can kill in almost any way, but my favorite has always been to stab people, the warmth of their blood on my hands and body, watching as the life slowly leaves the body it is just thrilling.

Unfortunately for me I am just a regular guy at the time living in Kansas, USA... well needless to say I got caught pretty fast. There was only Meredith, Samantha, Richard and Amy. Ah Amy she was I cop, maybe that's too generous, she was a fresh out of the academy police officer that caught me stabbing Richard to death, she was very pretty, and young, usually younger than I would kill. See I have a rule never kill anyone younger than 23 or older than 55, I told you I am not a monster.

Well Amy was an exception and unfortunate one, it was self-defense I promise, she had her gun pointed at me, there was nothing I could do. I told her to leave, she didn't well and that was that.

They arrested me, but in a lucky turn of events the bus they were using to take me to prison got into an accident and I managed to scape, and whilst on the run I came across this ranch. Owned by this man Lennard he was an Everest enthusiast had reached the summit once in his life when he was young and was dying to do it again he said, however he was trapped in a wheelchair, we made a deal, he got me out of the country and I would get him to the summit.

He wasn't a particularly rich man, but he also didn't expect to come back from his trip, so we sold his ranch and all of his belongings and just to cut the story short he smuggled me out of the country and into Nepal, was not a very pleasant place, very cold but you get used to it, once there I helped him to climb, he had barely any movement on hist legs and it took us too much time, see I had planned to steal lennards identity, but someone better came along, a sweet man, american, named Jeremy that was a guide to the mountain, not a hole lot of people knew him and he had a similar built to mine... if I twiked some things, you see Jeremy was a good man and he decided to help us in our undertaking, he help me to basically carry the old men up the mountain. Well you are an experienced climber so you must know how difficult it is to climb this mountain even on your own, let alone carring someone... so unfortunately neither of them got to the summit, sadly the old men died halfway up the mountain, one night at the camp. And after that I convinced Jeremy to help me to carry his corpse to the summit, he was so naive. We left the camp carrying the body telling our sad story, how Lennard had been loke a father to me and that was his dying wish. As soon as we were alone, I mean obviously most climbers were way faster than us, I dropped myself in the snow Jeremy came to check on me and I stabbed him. Using a knife with these cloves not easy and Jeremy whe he noticed foght back well needless to say who won. I took his clothes and jeremy fell to his demise and the old men, well I carried him into a corner out of the track and left him there. It was a huge risk to take, but I stayed up there for a while until it was almost night... It was horrible I nearly froze to death, then I dragged myself back to camp hurt and with some frostbite. Telling a tale of misfortune were the man I was guiding, what I great man that was, even when night fell he still wanted to take Lennard up the mountain I told him it was a crazy and reckless idea. But he wouldn't listen, the night fell a d the wind was too strong, he tripped and fell. I tried to save him and nearly died myself. It was truly tragic, and everyone bought it.

I have been Jeremy for the last 5 years now, the pay check as a guide isn't amazing but I can get by, and you know how deadly this mountain can be, it's not uncommon for people to go missing every now and then. Everyhing was fine until you came along and started digging....

To be continued

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Goodmindtothrowitall t1_izmetsb wrote

Ok. So.

I know this prompt is just for fun, and I love me a good mountaineering mystery. Heck, I found a lot of this information out ‘cause I’m trying to write one. Buuut… death on Everest is a bit complicated, and while this premise is cool, I don’t think it’s practical.

(Not trying to be rude, or like an “um, actually” guy or anything. I just have really visceral reactions to the bodies on Everest, and a lot of respect for labor rights of its workers. So this is a favorite rabbit hole of mine, and I hope sharing a bit of it is helpful and/or inspirational to people too? Sorry OP).

So— geography. Everest can be climbed from the Nepal or Tibet side (south col or north). I know more about Nepal, and it is currently the more popular route, although that might change. Both sides have several base camps. Anyone who does on the lowest one can count as a “body on Mt Everest”.

Problem is, getting to base camp in Nepal is a pain. The trek to base camp is popular with hikers- it’s long, and people have died from altitude sickness on the way to Everest. It’s rare for people to even carry their own bags— everything is brought in by low altitude porters (who are Nepali but never Sherpas.)

How about Tibet? That’s easier for our killer, cause there’s a road to base camp. It’s harder, because there’s also a police station.

See, bodies kind of can’t go missing in the lowest parts of Everest. They show up at base camp, sure, especially in Nepal. (I’ll get to why). But base camp is an expensive, long term, hurry-up-and-wait situation. Nepal especially keeps an incredibly close eye on base camp’s population— because literally every grain of rice is carried up the whole trail by a lowland porter. It’s not somewhere you can stay for long at all without being noticed. Tibet, a little easier, cause road, but let’s face it, a body’s gonna be noticed there too.

So that involves taking the body up the mountain (or preying on climbers+ expedition workers exclusively, but I’ll get to that later too).

You are not taking the body up the mountain.

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Goodmindtothrowitall t1_izmh9p2 wrote

The first place on Mt Everest where a body can plausibly disappear is the Khumbu icefall. It is on the Nepal side of Everest, and is the first and and most deadly obstacles climbers pass.

The icefall is always moving. It’s worse in the day, when it’s melting, but even at night, there’s a high risk of avalanches, there are massive crevasses that you cross by, I shit you not, aluminum ladders laid on their side. The ground might look firm, and be firm for a while, but secretly be a snow bridge with a pocket of air under it. It’s frankly terrifying.

(For the record, Sherpas climb the icefall at a much, much higher rate than clients. First, the icefall doctors map the route and lay the ladders. Then, high altitude porters carry all the supplies up for the higher camps. Only then do the clients go, accompanied by Sherpa guides. It is incredibly unjust, in a way that I don’t think most climbers realize, because the icefall is a number’s game. The more times you cross it, the more likely you are to die. A lot of deaths in Everest are avoidable. Icefall deaths are not.)

So our killer needs to carry a body on their back up to the icefall, at night, when no other climbers are going, dump the body in a crevasse, and come back.

Did I mention you have to use lights? And that people are watching all the time, trying to see if the weather/ conditions are ok for groups to go up? And that the whole icefall is visible from camp?

And for the record, the icefall is where most of the bodies at the Nepal base camp come from. Avalanches from the icefall have hit base camp before. Sometimes… parts… come down, especially as Everest gets warmer and the icefall becomes even more dangerous.

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Goodmindtothrowitall t1_izmixs8 wrote

Let’s talk about how people die on Everest.

Because there have (allegedly) been murders on Everest, but it’s not the sort of thing you can be charged for. High Crimes by Michael Kodas is a really heartbreaking account of the ways people can die and be killed.

The deadliest part of Everest is the icefall. The place where most people die is the descent. There’s something called “summit fever” that kills a lot of climbers. It’s not a physical thing- it’s the desire to keep going, even though you know you should turn back. Climbing Everest is incredibly expensive, and requires so much time and effort. For a lot of people, it’s a lifelong dream. And to give up on it when the top’s right there… well.

A lot of the injustices described in High Crimes are driven by summit fever. So remember how I said high-altitude porters take everything up to the higher camps? One of the items they bring is supplemental oxygen. Some climbers use oxygen, others don’t, but it dramatically increases your rate of survival. If a person makes it to the higher camps using oxygen and suddenly runs out , they have an even higher chance of dying than someone who has never used it while acclimating.

Did I mention the porters set up camp with all the supplies and then come back down? They have to, the human body starts to decay if you live any higher than base camp.

So oxygen goes missing. Sleeping bags go missing. So does good, although that matters less.

And sometimes people who could’ve been saved are left to die, because helping someone unprepared or unlucky means you won’t go to the summit.

Don’t get me wrong, there are so many heroes on Everest. But there’s also monsters of a very different source than serial killers. That’s how you get bodies on Everest. That, and because Everest is fundamentally, heartbreakingly, dangerous, and sometimes you do everything right and still die.

Last cont, I hope. Let’s talk about Sherpas real quick.

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Goodmindtothrowitall t1_izmni4h wrote

Sherpa is both a specific name for an ethnic and language group, and a general job title. However, the two are wrapped up in each other in really fraught ways that I (not Nepali, not a Sherpa) am gonna try to be really careful about, and still probably make mistakes.

Tenzing Norgay and Edmund Hillary were the first people to climb Everest. Norgay was a Sherpa. Climbing Everest requires a lot of support, and because of Norgay and Sherpa’s familiarity with Everest, foreign climbers overwhelming preferred hiring Sherpas to be high-altitude guides and porters. This kind of continued to this day, to the extent that non-ethnically Sherpa Nepali will try to pass as Sherpa to employers and even coworkers.

However. Your serial killer would have to be at least Nepali, and possibly actually Sherpa, to pass as a high-altitude porter.

There’s not a lot of sustainable jobs in Nepal. Being a mountain guide is unspeakably dangerous and demanding. It also pays a lot. There’s a lot of complicated feelings around the work. But the fact remains that because of the money, and the opportunities, it’s still dominated by big-s Sherpas. (And from what I can read there’s some tension between Sherpas and other Nepali ethnic groups because of this. Low altitude porters get paid very little for supplying the camps/ the trek to Everest base camp, and those jobs are usually held by Tamang and Rai people, who don’t have access to the same mountain economy, and often aren’t allowed to sleep in the tea houses.) (This article again).

Speaking of the base camp trek… unfortunately, there’s a lot of other places in Nepal where serial killers can hide bodies.

So that’s where it’s at. It’s big and complicated and makes me really sad a lot of the time.

More resources:

Sherpa- an incredible documentary about a recent tragedy and it’s repercussions.

Sherpa Conversation and Basic Words- a phrasebook

Buried in the Sky- about K2, but incredible read and a lot of information, both about death in the Himalayas and the lives of people who work in them.

Just for fun:

I have… complicated feelings about people traveling to Everest to climb it. It’s framed as heroic a lot of the time, and I own that it’s difficult, but… well.

That said, Half the Sky is a musical about just that, and the soundtrack is beautiful and currently costs $0. Think of it as a palate cleanser.

Final thoughts

Thanks for anyone who has read this far. Thank you for your prompt, OP- and sorry again.

Pease don’t climb Everest.

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ILoveLongDogs t1_izmo2lq wrote

Dude, what. Why go to all that bother, what did OP do to you?

Also, most of what you were saying about moving the bodies and hiding the evidence I think is massively off base to what was intended. I thought the idea of the prompt was "work as a seemingly legitimate guide then bump them off and make it look like an accident".

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Goodmindtothrowitall t1_izmpfg2 wrote

Totally fair, and honestly it did get away from me. If I’d typed this out all at once, I probably wouldn’t have posted it.

The plot you mentioned is (allegedly) something that happened- it’s the main storyline in High Crimes. However, guide and Sherpa are not interchangeable, and honestly that’s the main reason I started posting- When you’re writing about a different culture, it’s worth knowing some cultural context. And this isn’t just sherpa the job, it’s Sherpa the people, and honestly I get really angry about the cost they pay for other people to climb.

That, and I figured people reading the prompts might want to know more about Everest. Nothing against OP, they seem perfectly lovey. I just wanted to add some context, and it spiraled. Sorry to you as well.

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canofwhoops t1_iznahre wrote

Personally I came in with mild interest for a writing prompt and came out educated on the basics of climbing everest and a new understanding of the dangers as well as the Sherpas.

So thank you! All that effort writing was definitely not wasted it was a good read!

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astillac t1_izmqbcj wrote

It was an award-winning info dump and I kinda fell in love a little bit. XD

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Goodmindtothrowitall t1_izmqheg wrote

Aw, thank you! I think the other reason it got out of hand is that I haven’t talked to my usual infodump person for like a year and I think it boiled over. (Calling her soon tho!)

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