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pblack476 t1_j6wgwhr wrote

I honestly haven't seen an answer here that addresses the real question:

How can you remove energy from a system (lowering it's temperature) and yet end up with more potential energy on the ball?

I don't have the answer but I realize that while the entire system will have less energy overall, some of the energy will get rearranged by the freezing process and the ball will end up with a bigger percentage of the total energy in the system after freezing. I just don't know exactly how it happens.

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SynbiosVyse t1_j6wlq5e wrote

Because water is really weird! It's unusual for a compound to expand in volume as it goes from liquid to solid. Water freezing is an exothermic process: heat must be given off. While there is net loss, the amount of kinetic energy that water needed in it's liquid, kinetic form is still less than the energy needed that was converted into potential energy with the raising of the ice.

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AnnaLouise295 t1_j6wl13e wrote

It’s been too long since I sat in a physics (or thermodynamics) class to say with certainty, but my guess is that the answer has to do with “types” of energy and sounds something like “some of the thermal potential energy translated to gravitational potential energy”. They alluded to this in the above comments too with the notes on the energy required to move the ball - if the ball wasn’t there, then additional (thermal kinetic?) energy would have been released into the environment.

To say it another way - the gravitational potential energy isn’t the only energy in the system. The total energy of the system after freezing will still be less then before despite the increase in gravitational potential energy due to the decrease in thermal energy.

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SynbiosVyse t1_j6wm4fg wrote

You're correct, significant kinetic energy is present in the liquid form and lost during the transition, some of that is converted to potential energy by way of the 9% decrease in the density of the ice compared to liquid water.

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rootofallworlds t1_j71gl75 wrote

Ice has less thermal energy than water at the same temperature, which more than offsets the slight increase in gravitational potential energy due to ice Ih (the stable form at STP) being less dense.

On a molecular level, when the water molecules have slowed enough with cooling they can form permanent (ish) hydrogen bonds with each other and the shape of the molecules creates the ice crystal structure, even though this means pushing the molecules apart a bit more.

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