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[deleted] t1_j45leis wrote

Reply to comment by [deleted] in where does epinephrine comes from? The one used for people with allergies because Google only says It comes from glands so I don't understand if it's donated or sintethized by other means. by SALAMI_21

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backfist1 t1_j461wmu wrote

i work in an ICU, if anyone requests vegan EPI, i'm protesting my assignment and not treating that patient. also if you need EPI, you probably are too sick to even ask for anything.

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bawki t1_j46ji8u wrote

Let's open a company and call it "organic epi", it still comes from organs but that's why we can call it "organic" right? 😂

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backfist1 t1_j46luq5 wrote

Better yet, open a vegan hospital and let them all go there. See how they survive

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Aethyx_ t1_j46ifwg wrote

Can I ask why you feel so strong about this? What's wrong in asking? If you tell them there's no time/option for that and they just agree, is that an issue?

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gluckspilze t1_j46bso4 wrote

hehe. You sound like you're getting very angry at this annoying vegan you've imagined. You're absolutely right that if a patient needs it, they're probably not in a state where you'd query it. But really, relax. There's millions of vegans, and few if any that would ever think of asking you for vegan EPI in an emergency. Whilst there are religious people who refuse life-saving medications, for most vegans, their principles are simply to make the less harmful choices where there is one, not to die for an ideology. And in a non emergency, what's so threatening hypothetically about a vegan asking if there's an option for a medication that's the more ethical choice? I use asthma inhalers, and requested the dry powder version rather than the aerosol. They're the same drug, but the aerosol is environmentally harmful. The doctor, nurse and pharmacists were all delighted to help. If they protested their assignment in treating me, I think they'd look a little crazy...

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shtonkalot t1_j46dnk5 wrote

>but the aerosol is environmentally harmful.

Why is that?

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Duenss t1_j46h47z wrote

Aerosols usually contains greenhouse gases, like way more efficient (maybe not the right word) than CO2

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Sometimes_Stutters t1_j462q6b wrote

I think the generally accepted definition of “by product”, especially in terms of production, is the secondary value that can be derived from primary value. A cows value is determined by its meat. They are economically feasible on that alone. Secondary value can be recovered from bone, skin, and organs but that value is still much less than the value of the meat. You couldn’t economically derive sufficient value from a cow with the secondary value alone.

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gluckspilze t1_j46aen9 wrote

Again, you're not 'wrong' but the economics are not that simple. They once were... maybe still are in some places. But in the developed world, the economic model of industrialised animal farming is now getting weird. There is not such a direct line between the volume of meat produced (the primary commodity) and the viability of the business. You are saying that the value of the meat is primary because you couldn't derive sufficient value from the rest, but in Europe where I live, you usually can't derive sufficient value from all the products together! The industry is heavily subsidised, and the viability to farmers and to agrobusinesses relies on taxpayer subsidies paid per head of cattle, or per unit of land. So to the farmer/business selling the cow, its market value can't really be reduced to one product, even if it's the product with the biggest value. That's what I mean when I say that nothing is a byproduct. Every part that is paid for (including the subsidies) contributes to putting the business in the red or the black. If a quirk of the market meant that the most valuable part of the cow was, briefly, the gall bladder from which a powerful new anti-cancer drug was derived, vegans would probably not decide that meat was therefore a secondary 'byproduct' that was ethical to consume.

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UsedUpSunshine t1_j46dxb4 wrote

They use everything though. If it’s stuff that isn’t desired to be eaten it is used as compost for crops or turned into something else.

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