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socatsucks t1_j70c45l wrote

Reply to comment by Due-Net-88 in Does anyone wonder where their tax dollars are going? by Nicktendo

Graffiti keeps rent low.

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Nicktendo OP t1_j70eyid wrote

It really doesn't, it just makes the people that live here have to look at a dumb tag every day.

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socatsucks t1_j70ggwp wrote

Yes. You have correctly identified the sole purpose of graffiti: to make people look at your dumb tag every day. Just because you don’t like it, doesn’t mean it isn’t art. Certainly seems to have gotten an emotional response here, and isn’t that the entire point of art? To evoke emotion and feelings inside a person? I certainly think so.

Regardless of your feelings about the merits of tagging, I also think there are much larger problems we can throw that money at rather than wasting it on removing paint from a bridge or whatever. Paint that is going to be reapplied at the writer’s earliest opportunity. I say just enjoy some local art.

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DfcukinLite t1_j70p1q3 wrote

Most of it is shitty scribbles. Not art. I like graffiti but not everything constitutes as such.

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socatsucks t1_j70qn03 wrote

Art is subjective, so I can’t really argue with you there. I’m am certainly no graffiti expert, but if you hate the scribbles I might encourage you to explore the art of handstyles. For instance, did you know Baltimore has it’s own style that’s completely unique? Here is a fun little video about Baltimore graff if you’re interested. It’s only like 4 minutes long.

Again, as this is completely subjective I can’t say you are wrong or right about how you feel about tagging. I love throws and hollows and pieces and all styles, but to me tagging is the purest form of graffiti. It’s how most people get started, just scribbling their name or some random word on a bathroom stall.

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Clutch_Floyd t1_j71dwqh wrote

Look, nobody likes your vandalism. STOP.

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socatsucks t1_j71eoza wrote

I don’t vandalize things. I can still respect the art form. Sort of like how I don’t like you, but I can still have this respectful exchange.

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Nicktendo OP t1_j71qowq wrote

Maybe when you grow up and have a family or own anything you will understand where we're coming from.

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Due-Net-88 t1_j72ybfn wrote

You know what’s art? The decades of study and the long hours poring and over design plans and picking materials and building something beautiful and utilitarian like the beautiful old historical library on St Paul or any of the myriad pieces of architecture and old brick in this city. And the labor working class people put into trying to make their homes nice… the people around the corner had someone spray paint ACAB on the side of their fucking house. They aren’t COPS! They aren’t government officials. They’re a retired couple! Now they have to go scrub fucking paint off their bricks?! Graffiti is trash when it destroys homes, public places and neighborhoods. Stop trying to be so fucking edgy. This city looks like shit.

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socatsucks t1_j73a2wo wrote

Dude, you have to calm down. I didn’t spray paint anything on your house or whatever. I’m just here trying to defend the artistic merits of graffiti. Also, no “edge” intended. These are my honest opinions.

You do know that different types of art exist, correct? I can certainly appreciate all the lovely architecture you described while also appreciating the art applied to the exterior of said architecture. The only thing that differentiates a tag on a wall from the ceiling of the Sistine Chapel is your opinion. Are you mad at the hunter gatherers who drew on the sides of caves because they fucked up the sacred wall of that millennia old cave? Of course not. But how is that different than a tag on a wall? Just someone leaving their mark. One is just old you you accept it.

We are in agreement on one thing, it is typically considered by most writers to be bad form to tag personal property. A bridge is one thing. Even an abandon building is usually considered fine. Houses, cars, nature, historic anything is considered toy shit. Again, I’m no expert, so take this with a grain of salt. I feel for your neighbors. Personally I’d let that ACAB shit ride, but I know such statements are not for everyone.

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