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jojammin t1_j9v1xlc wrote

Here is a non-paywalled story.

>A report identifies 115 priests in MD diocese who were prosecuted for or have been credibly accused of sexually abusing more than 600 kids.

For those still a member of the catholic church, why? Do you actively support pedophiles or do you pretend your membership in the organization is somehow not doing that?

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Bubbamusicmaker t1_j9v886c wrote

Good let the truth come out finally. More lawsuits will happen, the Archdiocese will file for bankruptcy protections and then nothing will happen.

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we-overcome-us t1_j9w9kr1 wrote

Replying to [deleted] (#1,980,858)

I'm not particularly interested in convincing people to leave. I'm genuinely curious. I'm not a member of any church, but if I found out that Starbucks had a long history of child abuse and sex crimes, I wouldn't go to Starbucks, especially not with my kids. So why do Catholics continue going to church? If you have an honest answer I'd be open to hearing it.

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we-overcome-us t1_j9wcy11 wrote

Replying to [deleted] (#1,981,559)

I used to be a Methodist Christian and my stepmother is Catholic so I have a pretty good idea of what Catholics believe.

Next time you don't want to explain yourself, maybe don't say anything at all. Waste of everyone's energy.

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Blue_Roo_mama t1_j9x0xuv wrote

I just finished watching The Keeper on Netflix. It is very eye opening on many levels. Women have come along way from the 90's; BS victim blaming by the lawyers on the news was disgusting.

Church is not the problem. There is a bigger problem with the laws and statute of limitations. Watch the show and see who blocks to legislation. They are also criminals in my opinion. The innocent should always be protected.

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Flames1913 t1_j9xagwf wrote

Replying to we-overcome-us (#1,981,021)

If you want an honest engagement, I have been convinced by the theological and epistemological arguments laid out by writers like the doctors of the church and have yet to see convincing disprovings of their writings. I am bound to a system that is deeply, deeply flawed but represents what I believe to be the legitimate body of the Church of Christ, who I think was the Son of God. I will go to church, and advocate for changes in the Church but as a believer in the Bible I'm obligated to attend.

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SerjoHlaaluDramBero t1_j9xqohs wrote

Replying to jojammin (#1,973,208)

>For those still a member of the catholic church, why?

I have no responsibility for what a bunch of free-love hippy priests did decades before I was born.

As a public school survivor, I am more concerned with the ongoing public school sex abuse scandals, which are 100 times as widespread as the Catholic Church sex abuse scandals of the twentieth century. There are sickening parallels between the decades-old abuse cases in the article and the ongoing abuse still happening in public schools today.

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anne_hollydaye t1_j9ybyin wrote

I just want to put this here, for the folks who still belong to a church.

You're going against what Jesus actually said. Break free of the chains, friends. You'll stop funding predators. Give that money directly to the poor instead of funding the church. It's a better use of it.

(Downvote me all you want, I was raised Catholic in the Archdiocese of Baltimore and one of those priests was my childhood pastor. He was evil and we were his second or third church because of his abuse towards children. They chose to just move him instead of actually punishing him. Get out, folks. Get out and save yourselves and your children.)

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SerjoHlaaluDramBero t1_j9yjqw6 wrote

Replying to YesIDoBlowCops (#1,990,736)

>The 90s are now the bad old days?

In terms of sex abuse in the Catholic Church, the peak was in the 1980s, but the rate didn't plummet to near-zero until after the 2002 Dallas Charter reforms. Everything before that more-or-less was the "bad old days" of sex abuse in the Church, and this report serves to confirm that.

Now the struggle is in trying to bring such reforms to public schools, youth athletics, scouting programs, etc. so that those institutions can experience the same sudden dramatic drop in abuse rates. But teachers unions spend a fortune lobbying to prevent that.

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Expendable_Red_Shirt t1_j9ywoe5 wrote

Replying to SerjoHlaaluDramBero (#1,989,612)

>As a public school survivor, I am more concerned with the ongoing public school sex abuse scandals, which are 100 times as widespread as the Catholic Church sex abuse scandals of the twentieth century. There are sickening parallels between the decades-old abuse cases in the article and the ongoing abuse still happening in public schools today.

There absolutely is widespread abuse in the public school system. There is also widespread abuse in the Catholic church. It's a little silly to blame it on hippies and free love but ok.

I'd argue that public school systems, when alerted to abuse, try to do the right thing. The Catholic church covers it up.

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Expendable_Red_Shirt t1_j9yxeh4 wrote

Replying to jojammin (#1,973,208)

As an outsider I'd say it's the later. They view their membership in their local church and don't see it as necessarily part of the larger whole. They see the good in the church but can mentally ignore the bad.

It's also hard for some people to separate from institutions they've brought up their whole lives. Look at Hogan and Republicans. He can see that the party has huge rotten components and that those are the majority within the party. But he can't leave it.

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Expendable_Red_Shirt t1_j9yxtyq wrote

Replying to [deleted] (#1,979,276)

>You wouldn't get it.

Originally I was going to say that's because you couldn't explain it, which means you're probably wrong. But you're probably right in this for me. I wouldn't get it.

For example, as someone in a position of trust with people I'm a mandated reporter. Even though it means I have to do uncomfortable things it means I'm protecting innocent people. I embrace that part of my job.

The church has fought off being mandated reporters and in fact hides things from the government as part of what they do. I'll never understand putting people, including children, at risk for more abuse. And I'll never understand people who support those institutions.

Edit: I can give an even better concrete example. The Church won't release it's report about the schools in Canada. They know who committed which crimes. They're all old. People just want confirmation. Church won't give it to them. I won't ever understand.

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Inevitable_Sherbet42 t1_j9zcpdw wrote

Replying to jojammin (#1,973,208)

Tradition, and a desire to change the church as a member of the flock.

I don't care if it's a futile effort, I've found comfort and safety in the faith, and I want to ensure that all can also experience that comfort and safety, while also punishing those who abuse that trust.

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Expendable_Red_Shirt t1_j9zdc7y wrote

Replying to [deleted] (#1,979,168)

>Circuit Judge Robert Taylor Jr. signed an order to release a redacted version of the 463-page report the Baltimore Banner reported. Taylor said he would hear arguments and decide whether to release the entire report at a later date.

You think he's going to hear arguments on whether to release the names and addresses of victims?

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