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SnooRevelations979 t1_j7q4hgf wrote

What's axiomatic in American public schools is poor areas make for poor school performance.

The answer is the same as it was 60 years ago: integration. If not racial, economic. Of course, this isn't politically feasible.

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RosalindaPosalinda t1_j7qhrzh wrote

I agree with you here. I have a kiddo that will be going into middle school soon and so I have to participate in this school choice system. It’s frustrating because it really exacerbates the inequities within Baltimore society. The parents that have the time and energy and money are more equipped to navigate this convoluted system to get their kids in the “better” schools. Those kids without that support aren’t likely going to get into Roland Park or an Ingenuity program, or even know to apply to the better charter schools that are available in a lottery system (so not grades dependent). It creates segregation- not fully racial, but privilege segregation.

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MinistryofTruthAgent t1_j7s3jk5 wrote

Nah. A little bit of correlation doesn’t mean causation. Plenty of poor Asian families still have kids who do extremely well in school. It’s a cultural attitude.

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SnooRevelations979 t1_j7s6lit wrote

Great. Do you have some counter examples of schools serving a poor student body (whatever their race) that do well on standardized tests?

I'm all ears.

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MinistryofTruthAgent t1_j7sna8s wrote

How economically disadvantaged do you want examples for? What’s the benchmark?

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SnooRevelations979 t1_j7soujw wrote

Similar to students in Baltimore City, which has about a 33% child poverty rate.

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SnooRevelations979 t1_j7spurp wrote

I also didn't realize that there was a singular Asian culture.

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MinistryofTruthAgent t1_j7swz6i wrote

It’s similar in that a lot of Asian cultures are influenced by Confucianism.

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SnooRevelations979 t1_j7tzr8j wrote

You're talking about East Asian cultures, not Asian cultures in general. Most aren't influenced by Confucianism all that much.

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MinistryofTruthAgent t1_j7uyjx6 wrote

Vietnam is also influenced by it. A lot of other Asian countries such as Malaysia, Singapore, all had significant migration of Han Chinese people. If you’re talking about Laos, Thailand, Cambodia then I’d agree with you.

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SnooRevelations979 t1_j7xexli wrote

Vietnam was under suzerainty of China for a long time, and Singapore is majority Chinese. In the rest of Southeast Asia, the Chinese are a minority -- they often been called the Jews of the area -- and Confucianism doesn't have much pull. (Most Malay Chinese are Hokkien, not Han, btw, but Han Chinese was a made up ethnicity anyway. Nonetheless, my point holds: there is no singular Asian culture.

And back to the original topic, it seems you are comparing Asian immigrants and their children's performance in school and our own city's largely Black student body. Even if it held as a counterpoint to what I originally wrote (which it doesn't), do you really think that's a fair comparison? Koreans are traditionally neck and neck with Greeks as being the most educated immigrants. The first wave of Vietnamese immigrants -- largely Catholic mandarins attached to the allied South Vietnamese government -- did much better academically than the second wave (the less affluent).

But, more importantly, with the exception of refugees (Vietnamese, Lao, Khmer), Asian immigrants have already gone through a self-selection equivalent to being admitted to a magnet school by the very act if immigrating and had the wealth to get here. (Note that the population of China is far less educated than our own.) Your comparing this filterd population with a broader population who was denied education of any sort and their labor stolen for 200 years, and then had another century of Apartheid, before being economically isolated in "freedom"?

Please. Let me know when you've found those poor, high-performing schools, btw.

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Proof-Distribution62 t1_j7r0uq5 wrote

You’re missing the other solution: tax the rich and provide Nordic level of welfare to families. Current system is woefully inadequate and leaves poorest families out entirely in a number of programs. By the way, this is the same answer to the question of how to ameliorate food deserts.

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SnooRevelations979 t1_j7rlocd wrote

Sure, the Nordics tax the rich at high levels. But the Nordics also tax everyone else at high levels, too. While the former may be politically doable, the second is not.

And while taxation is one of the reasons Nordic countries are middle class, it's also because until relatively recently they were quite homogenous. And their taxation and welfare systems enjoy broad approval. (In fact, right-wing parties don't even focus on them.) They also don't have the federated government we do.

So, your solution is about realistic as mine.

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lsree t1_j7s44l5 wrote

Not to mention they have oil wealth to subsidize their welfare programs (although we have oil too).

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