moderndukes t1_ja5xu35 wrote on February 27, 2023 at 2:07 AM

Reply to comment by HenriettaHiggins in Family hoping to move to Baltimore, what's the vibe? by Ephesossh

I mean, you’re using a line surveyed 260 years ago because of competing colonial claims as your basis of culture today. The Maryland claim would’ve included Philadelphia, the Pennsylvania claim would’ve included Baltimore and nearly Georgetown.

Things have changed a lot since the 1760s and the 1860s. Baltimore and Washington are pretty squarely Northeast cities.

HenriettaHiggins t1_ja5zdrz wrote on February 27, 2023 at 2:19 AM

I could see that perspective, and I honestly don’t know the regional history to the extent you’re describing. But considering the active klan here, the enormous number of confederate flags in the schools in western maryland/Frederick co and on the shore at least, my lived experience in the state when not in private schools/with people not “from here” has always shared more in common with my father’s in NC than my mother and husband from NY (who both a generation apart thought the klan was “over” before moving here). Our public high school vehemently referred to the civil war as a war of northern economic aggression, all the way through AP US history. That, to me, is a meaningful and modern reflection of values and ideals in the state that wouldn’t be common in most of the north east.

moderndukes t1_ja65rsu wrote on February 27, 2023 at 3:11 AM

I’m just saying that regardless of where the region was grouped 150-250+ years ago, that today is not the same.

> the enormous number of confederate flags in the schools in western maryland/Frederick co and on the shore

I grew up on the Shore and have zero clue what you’re talking about.

Also, you can find Confederate flags in NY. You can even find them in Canada - people who fly them aren’t always thinking about Southern pride…… And although biggest in the South, the Klan wasn’t just a Southern thing - like they had a big presence in the Midwest and failed in spreading more around Boston because they’re anti-Catholic (like, funding the Calles government in Mexico in a civil war because of laws against the Catholic Church, or their campaigns against Al Smith, JFK, and Biden).

> Our public high school vehemently referred to the civil war as a war of northern economic aggression, all the way through AP US history. That, to me, is a meaningful and modern reflection of values and ideals in the state that wouldn’t be common in most of the north east.

Yeah that wouldn’t be a thing in Maryland. You might hear some people say “the War of Northern Aggression” in certain places but, growing up on the Eastern Shore, it always sounded slightly unserious and we were never taught the Lost Cause narrative in school.