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Ok-Entrepreneur4365 t1_jeegn88 wrote

Reply to comment by Nolubrication in West Baltimore gang takedown: 33 indicted on drug, gun and attempted murder charges, police say by Dr_Midnight

>You think that's how it works, huh?

I work with addicts and alcoholics.

Literally both active and sober folks say that they give exactly 0 shits about what anyone else thinks they should or shouldn't do.

It's called enabling. Which is something you're doing when you make a space that says "we don't care if you use or not, feel free to get better at getting high with the things we give you"

Anyone going to a needle exchange is already on heroin. You're just another fool advocating for an easier way for people to kill themselves.

Bartenders can get in legal trouble if they over serve someone. Progressives like you should be charged the same for working safe space zones.

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Nolubrication t1_jeehcvh wrote

> I work with addicts and alcoholics.

Doing what? Clearly not treatment, because you have no clue if you still view addiction as solvable through punitive measures.

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Ok-Entrepreneur4365 t1_jeeijep wrote

>you have no clue if you still view addiction as solvable through punitive measures

Multiple people over multiple years have straight up told me and told their peers in AA and NA that they only got their shit together once they were brought before a judge and made to answer for the fucked up shit they did while in active addiction.

You're completely ignorant if you think that's not true.

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Nolubrication t1_jeekp71 wrote

You're an addict? That's your expertise here?

You're arguing against a strawman, either intentionally or simply because you haven't bothered to educate yourself on what is happening in places like Portugal. Nobody is suggesting that we simply eliminate enforcement and call it a day.

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Ok-Entrepreneur4365 t1_jeel9r6 wrote

>You're an addict?

Nope

>That's your expertise here?

I'm involved in counseling for people with addictions. I've also spent personal time with these folks, on the streets of Baltimore.

>Nobody is suggesting that we simply eliminate enforcement and call it a day.

You literally said that punishing people for drug crimes doesn't work.

If you ever actually cared about this issue you might actually do some volunteering or work to help people.

But you're talking about some magical solution of "safe spaces" and "national hamsterdam."

And you clearly didn't watch the wire because you'd know that Hamsterdam was an enormous shithole.

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Nolubrication t1_jef1la6 wrote

> You literally said that punishing people for drug crimes doesn't work.

And it doesn't. All 33 of the gangbangers in the OP article will be replaced by new participants in the drug game within a week. There is no way we will incarcerate our way out of our national drug epidemic.

And you're not arguing against the alternative; you are arguing against the strawman you're building, "make everything legal and do nothing else about the problem". Any viable path to reducing addiction and overdose rates also has to include a myriad of social services. The $50k/yr it costs to lock someone up and throw away the key can be better spent on counseling, education, rehabilitation, and "housing first" programs.

We should be taking our cues from nations whose policy is actually reducing drug use among adolescents (new addicts) and opioid deaths overall.

Have a look at the chart here. Does that indicate to you that America's less liberal national drug policy is more or less effective than that of its OECD peer nations?

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