Submitted by locker1313 t3_124nl0b in baltimore
Interesting_Loan_425 t1_je1xiig wrote
As someone who drives to the wine source frequently on Friday and Saturday evenings… it’s not that bad? Like just wait 2 minutes and someone will pull out. If you build more parking, then it will just turn into the Total Wines lot in Towson. Cars are always going to fill the space allotted to them, this will not solve the problem of parking in the area, which isn’t even a problem. It SHOULD be hard to freely park your giant private vehicle in the middle of a busy neighborhood.
nzahn1 t1_je36hb2 wrote
This account gets induced demand.
umbligado t1_je4etd5 wrote
Again, the proposal is merely to make up for the parking they’ve had for years and are losing due to RoFo’s decision.
NationalMyth t1_je3lgwy wrote
Question for you (with absolutely no judgement): what is preventing you from walking, scooting, biking, or taking the bus here? Timing? Location of services? Lack of familiarity or comfort riding/navigating on two wheels? Mobility concerns?
umbligado t1_je4f9e2 wrote
That’s a fair question. Many people are buying large quantities (multiple cases of beer or wine) at a time. It just wouldn’t really work with other modes of transportation. Personally I used to buy cases there years ago when I had a car; now that I bike everywhere and take public transportation, I no longer buy in quantity and just generally buy less overall at Wine Source.
Interesting_Loan_425 t1_je4n3ng wrote
If I were to just go to the Wine Source I would walk or bike (though they don’t have a bike rack!!!), but I just happen to only go when I’m on the way home from something else that I usually drive to. It’s definitely not, as other commenters said, because I’m buying cases of wine lol, I only go to pick up a discounted 6 pack. Though I have fit like 6 750 ML glass bottles in my bike paneers before, it’s not hard at all, they give you little sleeves on the bottles to stop them from clanging around.
HorsieJuice t1_je4h4o6 wrote
I have to wonder if the folks making this argument (you’re not alone) have ever purchased alcohol. It’s typically stored in large, heavy, breakable glass bottles. Who’s going to carry a case of beer on a scooter?
NationalMyth t1_je4jal0 wrote
Totally valid, a scooter would not be ideal for a large purchase. I wasn't imagining people were hitting the Wine Source like a Costco on the reg.
bmore t1_je4jvhx wrote
I used to buy a few cases at a time on my bike. It has a storage platform on the back for carrying cargo. I don't go to Wine Source anymore though, because they removed their bike rack.
umbligado t1_je7yv1l wrote
With the average case of wine weighing somewhere between 30 and 40 pounds and an assumption that a “few” is more than 2, I have to say, I’m pretty fucking impressed.
bmore t1_je8cna7 wrote
Mostly bought beer cases but definitely carried 4 cases of cheap bubbly before for a brunch. There are lots of bikes (and ebikes) out there designed to carry big loads.
umbligado t1_je37r22 wrote
The proposal is not to build more parking for Wine Source — it’s to build a replacement for the parking they are losing.
SaveFailsafe t1_je38mjp wrote
The Wine Source should move somewhere with more parking (Rotunda?) if they want more parking, not subject one of the most walkable neighborhoods in the city to the hellish externalities of surface parking lots.
Are they really losing the RoFo parking or are they just not paying what RoFo wants to lease it?
umbligado t1_je4d5qr wrote
That argument doesn’t make sense. You’re then still left with a retail property that doesn’t have enough parking to make the business viable. It’s worked fine for close to twenty years as it is.
Wine Source will likely end up having to pay somewhere close ro $1M to convert the lot in question into their own parking — I doubt the issue with the Royal Farms lot is simply one of cost.
SaveFailsafe t1_je4mt7b wrote
Wine Source was viable long before RoFo let them use the parking lot. And every other business on the Ave with literally ZERO parking spots also makes it work. It's the pedestrians that make the Ave profitable.
The RoFo parking lot was off limits for years. Only recently did they allow weekend and evening parking for Wine Source customers. Wine Source has parking right out front, which is very rare for the Ave. Obviously they don't want to move because nothing can beat the foot traffic of the Ave.
And that's the thing. Its the foot traffic that makes that spot good. Everyone knows it. If we start surrounding the Ave in parking lots it's not going to be walkable anymore.
Wine Source's proposal isn't unreasonable, but people are afraid of what the next parking lot will be. And the next and the next. It would be better if Wine Source would lead by example, if they're really such an anchor of the Ave.
Interesting_Loan_425 t1_je38ixs wrote
Oh I wasn’t aware. What is happening to their current lot?
umbligado t1_je4cs9y wrote
Unclear. The large lot across the street is owned by Royal Farms, and Royal Farms informed Wine Source that they have other plans for the lot and will no longer allow parking there, hence Wine Source’s proposal.
From this earlier discussion, Royal Farms is apparently declining to renew a parking lease.
HorsieJuice t1_je4ha1o wrote
Wait 2 minutes where? Double parked? Driving around the block?
Interesting_Loan_425 t1_je4oeub wrote
In your driveway specifically
HorsieJuice t1_je5n4en wrote
If you want to build me a driveway, I'd happily let you park in it while you wait your turn in one of the 4 spots in their lot.
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