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Potentially controversial thought: I think they need to reduce the number of patrol cars so that there are more officers than patrol car capacity. That way they have to walk around and interact with Baltimoreans in a non-shooty manner.

That's not potentially controversial, it flat out just doesn't make sense. I'd understand if they have too many vehicles to get rid of some, but to say you'd rather there not be enough is idiotic and makes no sense

They have too many vehicles. There should be more officers on foot patrol. They should not be in their cars hanging out with each other in the back of parking lots playing on their phones/computers. They should be interacting with the general public and getting to know people.

I completely agree they should be out interacting, and maybe they do have too many patrol cars I honestly haven't looked into it and am not familiar with the ratio, but to say they should have less than enough to transport every cop is ridiculous to me

If this is Patterson Park, there were a series of robberies over the summer and police have increased patrols inside as a result. There are worse places for them to take a break?

How do you know they weren’t on lunch?

Ever since that stupid guy with a bat got shot by a squeeze kid there has been a BCPD SUV parked on the sidewalk at that intersection 24/7. They don’t do anything. Just sit in their car to make the rich people in the fancy apartment building feel better.

You act like wanting to feel safe when a murder happened outside your building is a bad thing. I think we can all agree that BPD doesn't do shit, but don't hate on people's desire to feel safe in their homes.

If this was yesterday it may have been because they were chasing an admitted rapist in the park after the states attorney released him because apparently video evidence finger prints and a confession are not enough. This is right around the area he was caught.

Btw the rich people in the fancy apartment buildings = the tax base that pays for all the free stuff I’m sure you want.

Sad...our justice system ..

A puddle? We’ll put all our units on it.

Joke's on you, that puddle committed a triple homicide

Ugh those silly rich people, not wanting to feel unsafe after a murder

I feel like this is missing some information. They don’t just “let rapists go.”

Bet if it was silly poor people the pigs would be on some silly rich peoples corner instead anyways. Foh

They have 400 cars, if that helps.

I would bet lots of money there are more patrol cars and officers in sandtown or mondawmin than there are in Roland Park

I see you’re full of pro-PIGanda.

If you find yourself wondering “why does it always always smell like shit?”, try to remember that at anytime you can choose to take a deep breath once your head is fully pulled out of your asshole.

BPD can suck a dick but this entire post is stupid, and your comment was untrue as well. Hence why you didn’t even address my rebuttal. BPD does so many things wrong, we don’t need to stretch to find them

They serve different purposes. Ideally you have both. But there's not enough officers for both. Cops in cars cover posts or certain geographies. It's harder to cover those on foot

Nothing to see here, just two bros clocking 20+ hours overtime

Yesterday a dozen dirt bikers and quads rode past cops on monument. Everyone was laughing at them because they don't do shit. They were talking into the walkies on their person probably telling other squad cars about it but we all know they won't do anything. I know there's a no chase rule but it still looks really bad to see no action.

They’re stationed outside the gymnasium in Patterson park that’s serving thanksgiving food for free to homeless and less fortunate…. And you make fun of them for parking on top of a puddle?

Puddles are known to be 6-8 feet deep.

This is how they meet, when they need to disseminate information face to face they'll do it like this l. Or they will post up in a high crime area like this as well. Most residents from Baltimore city know this because it's been happening sense my mom was a kid.

Woah two cops next to each other, how is this not in the news? #ACAB

Whenever I walk past a parked police car I look to see what the occupant is doing. Less than 10% of the time they are paying attention to activity on the street and their surroundings. At least half the time they’re looking at their phones.

How would you solve that problem?

It's hard to tell by the photo - but the two cops are actually docking through the car windows.

Get outa here, this is Reddit. You're not allowed to defend the police. /s

Yes they do. Have you heard of Mosby?

Weird how they never taught me that in law school…

They don't have enough officers for foot patrol AND patrol function lol. Imagine going to 20 911 calls for service in a single 10 hour shift. You think they got time to walk a beat? At least half those 20 calls require reports to be written.

God forbid they take a 10 minute break to relax in a park.

So they're not allowed to chase.

There's already been a Dirt Bike Task Force established who investigates these folks and seizes their vehicles.

What would you like to see those patrol officers do? There's no action because they're not allowed to do anything about it.

Nice try with the humble brag of law school. Sorry, law school isn't impressive. Actual experience is.

Yes, they don't teach stuff in law school about how some prosecutors are too scared to take something to trial if it's not a slam dunk case.

Now, run along back to District Court where you get your docket the morning of lol.

How do you think you get actual experience as an attorney without starting in law school? Timid prosecutors are not what the original comment implied. That’s why I said some information was missing.

Law school is not experience. It's a school environment. That's like saying police officers know how to testify well on the stand because they went to a police academy. Not the case.

The original comment implied rapists (and other criminals) are let go. I'm attributing that to timid prosecution.

Imagine taking the time to read my comment for comprehension. Then do it. Enjoy your Thanksgiving.

Imagine thinking having a law degree makes you an experienced lawyer. But you enjoy Thanksgiving as well, sir or ma'am.

I literally never said or implied that it did. But since you also don’t know the context behind the release of the rape suspect I’ll take your attribution with a grain of salt.

Can someone just explain to us the actual reasoning behind this person being released? I swear to fuck, I read through this entire thread thinking that eventually it would be elaborated on but nothing!

This thing blows my mind: https://arcgisportal.baltimorepolice.org/publiccrimemap/?_gl=1dyvz5t_gaMTA5NTA5NjA2NC4xNjY5MzI2ODcw_ga_N4F03K56YN*MTY2OTMyNjg2OS4xLjEuMTY2OTMyNjg4Ni40My4wLjA.

How do you think you get actual experience as an attorney without starting in law school?

But yes, everything on Reddit should be taken with a grain (or better yet a dash) of salt. You don't know my experience and I don't know yours other than law school from the humble brag.

Yeah. As in you go to law school and then get a real job where you actually learn how to be a lawyer. But it’s not like you don’t learn stuff while getting a JD.

That's a lot of resources for a sinkhole or whatever that is.

Ok I had assumed that part was obvious... You can't practice law without going to law school and passing the bar lol. I shouldn't have assumed.

You learn just enough getting a JD to embarrass yourself in front of a judge and/or jury. Litigation skills come from experience, not school. That's why the newbies start in District Court, and the talented ones start in Circuit Court.

Doesn't look that bad to me. But to be fair, I don't have a Blue Brothers chase fetish. I can't imagine how hard it must be for you to not see one.

Well, it is still Marilyn Mosby, isn't it?

But you're messing with the county "democrats love crime" narrative!

If they're understaffed, they should stop hiring cops that commit crimes.

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Shame on me for wanting details about an outrageous claim! It’s definitely because Democrats don’t believe in prosecuting criminal 🙄🙄

Lol yeah I gotcha. From the way law schools flog Big Law, the most talented ones of all wind up doing corporate transactional work and never see a courtroom at all but rather send big checks.

Cops in cars sit in parking lots doing nothing. A single cop on foot could have hampden cleaned up in a year.

Actually it was El Chupacabra Blanco. He’s migrating North to Quebec for the winter where he has a really nice condo. He’s also a well known serial rapist. Unfortunately he is protected by the endangered species act and cannot be prosecuted.

Define cleared up. Also how big is the foot post you're imagining?

Well, I imagine they'll have done something about the same dozen or so junkies that regularly go into stores and steal stuff or steal from lawns and brazenly walk around town with obviously stolen goods to a location that everyone know they'll trade the stolen goods for drugs at, sometimes inside but often outside in broad daylight. Maybe the violent ones would be handled, too.

And I don't know how big of an area. The city isn't really very big, dude. You can walk from Hampden to Fells in under an hour and a half.

Lmao, 10 minute break to relax in the park is not part of their job. If they want to clock out, that's something they can figure out with their criminally strong union. But just stopping at the park during shift to hang out for 10 min is not okay. They can go to the park on their own time.

We need them to walk a beat to get to know the communities and build trust, because they've broken the trust of the community with criminal actions.

Source?

To be fair, over the summer I saw a dad and his 5 year old bicycling, and the kid got stuck in that thing waist deep. To protect and serve.

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Don’t forget the patrol car stationed 24/7 at inner harbor for squeegeeing 🙄

You not even allowed to have an opinion about Baltimore based on your post history

Lol thanks for the down votes. Do you have them driving up and down your street that you live on?

You don't think the Baltimore SA's office messes up??

Use the power of OPRA and get their Calls for Service for that day. Or any day they cannot make it to a call. I know it will not change your mind about them but it might help you see what they deal with or dealing with when they are under staff and put your call off for a more serious matter

Wow. That might be the dumbest question anyone has ever asked me. Of course the State’s Attorney’s office screws up. Everyone screws up. What has that got to do with what I said?

The dirt bike unit was disbanded due to staffing issues (shortages). A bunch of other specialized units also.

Yep. It's sad. My good friend who was a prosecutor called me and apologized for leaving public service ... Said a corporation gave him a number he couldn't say no to.

I said absolutely no judgements here, as I know public service lawyers don't get paid shit.

Go do a ride along bud. It'll open your eyes.

Edit: and I used the term "relax" loosely. How do you know they're not typing reports in between calls?

At the end of the day, I know when I close my laptop at 5 or 7 pm after a day of writing pharmaceutical contracts I won’t feel depressed or nauseous or angry. I’m not losing sleep worrying that one of my clients is going to get arrested, deported, or killed. But I also don’t feel like I’m making the world a better place. But who knows what I’ll be doing in 10 years. 🤷🏼‍♀️

Pretty much. Note I asked /u/charmgirlonAnn27 for a source, no response yet.

Someone should go tell all those rapists in prison

Citizens want that, thats why they are there

Today I learned! I had no idea, thank you. Goes to show they don't have enough staffing for even that.

Don't be upset about missing out, the criminal judicial system is a scam. Just a revolving door.

No. Cops on foot would get us pictures of them sitting down along with a sassy phrase.

Isn't she the lady who made sure the guys who murdered Freddy Gray didn't go to prison?

No, she was the woman who illegally asked a random Major from the sheriff department to charge them, all the while lacking probable cause.

She lost in a few trials against them (miserably and embarrassingly, at that), and dumped the cases on the others because she realized she had no probable cause in the first place.

Thankfully, she wasn't able to ruin some officers lives to appease the rioters. Turns out, when you swallow a large amount of heroin to not get caught, it tends to increase the risk to your health.

Edit: if it helps you remember who she was, she's the one who was charged by the federal government for perjury and mortgage fraud so she could buy not one, but two vacation homes.

I agree it was embarrassing for her. There was actual video footage of a police officer kneeling on Gray's neck and for some reason she went with the police narrative that it was a run of the mill Baltimore Rough Ride that killed him.

What does this have to do with a puddle? Just bc they parked near one?

what? Reddit has so many right wing users (liberals included in that), i mean look at all the upvotes u guys are getting. i see so much police support on this platform.

Don't. Use. Heroin. It's bad for you.

I guess that’s the new thing now, snap a photo and add your OWN context.

You frequent some weird subreddits if you routinely see support for police lmao

https://www.facebook.com/groups/canton.neighbors.baltimore/posts/6134683046576979/?comment_id=6134701473241803&reply_comment_id=6135458046499479&notif_id=1669249513255357&notif_t=group_comment_mention

Make sure to read through the whole thread. hope that works.

Apparently they do. From Arch Mckown on FB (see link below):

"the victim was presented a photo array - that’s where a cop who isn’t on the case presents the victim/eye witness with six head shot photos (one is of the suspect). The victim was (understandably) unable to ID the guy from the photo array. The ASA said basically “since she couldn’t ID the suspect it’s a weak case. Cut him loose.” Mind you, the incident was caught on clear video. The victim described the suspect and his clothing head to toe. The suspect ADMITTED to the crime to detectives. BPD pulled fingerprints at the scene. So why would this not suffice to hold him … at very least until the other victim could come in to do a photo array also???"

If this was today it may have been because there was an unsanctioned Turkey Trot and a whole bunch of reckless drivers driving erratically thru the park.

Since you're a medical expert...How does heroin break one's neck?

What the fuck is up with the BPD defenders on this post? I have no idea the context of this photo, but I could post 100 pictures a week of the BPD chilling in parking lots. That’s what they do. Pretty much exclusively. The MOTHER FUCKING crime rate is all the proof you need to know BPD is garbage.

If there was a rapist or gangs jumping people in the park, did they catch them?

Edit: BCPD to BPD after I was politely informed of my error.

It inhibits one's interest in self preservation, consistent with a fellow prisoners account of Mr. Gray intentionally bashing his head into the wall of the van numerous times.

Also, don't forget Ms Mosby is the one who a week prior requested increased drug enforcement in the area of North and Mount St...

What else you got, keyboard warrior?

Oh, you're going with the story that he killed himself to make the cops look bad?

Killed himself intentionally? No absolutely not. I think he swallowed his stash and lost his mind. Heroin will do that.

There must be lots of other examples of that happening. Why don't you share one?

Go on a ride along bubba lol. Leave your safe little world of normalcy for once in your life.

Edit: unless you're scared. We'd all respect that.

So if I go on a ride along I'll see people swallow heroin and break their own necks to make cops look bad?

Nope. That wasn't the premise, sunshine.

But you'll definitely see ppl swallow their stash to not get caught lol. And then you'll see the foolish things people do on heroin. Well actually these days it'll likely be fentanyl... It's cheaper than heroin.

It’s a private Facebook group. Is there a news article or a name I could look up?

sorry not that I know of. but if you join one of the south east facebook groups there's probably a number of posts on it.

Did they decline to arrest him or did he get out on bail? Some of the wording in this quote is confusing. You can’t just “hold” someone for extended periods of time without charging them.

Not being able to read the rest of the story some of this does sound like a prosecutor who’s not interested in fighting for a victim. The fact that he admitted, unless the police fucked up in a profound way that would get the admission excluded, should have made it much easier.

But I also want to point out that juries rely extremely heavily on witness identification. This is not a good thing as witness identifications are generally awful. However, the victim not being able to identify the man can be hugely problematic, especially with a juries over reliance on witness ID’s. She may have described his clothing head to toe, but if it’s generic clothing a defense attorney can have a field day.

Fair enough. Thank you.

plenty of police support in r/baltimore, an example being the upvotes above and the fierce support for jhupd

At least then we’d have their faces instead of cars

Yeah dude we get it, you're a cop.

Oh no, you mean they'd have to stand on their feet for most of their workday? Like some pathetic retail workers???

Lol yeah because they're working real hard to respond to those 911 calls quickly as it is

Hey cops harass and detain people every day on less. Turnabout is fair play.

You mean the "tax base" that gets all the fancy new roads, the nicest schools, the stop signs and traffic lights, the new shopping center permits, oh and as you just admitted, actual police protection? Sounds like they're the ones getting all the stuff bud.

Doing what? Protecting people? Or finding excuses to add to their monthly quota?

So instead of them just driving up and down your street, instead you want them wildly running from the cops up and down your street?

Just another innocent child dragged down by this city.

No no no, you misunderstand:

When the crime rate is high, it's because the cops are doing their best but the city isn't giving them enough money.

When the crime rate is low, it's because the cops are doing a great job and should be rewarded with more money.

Hope that clears things up.

What the fuck is up with people not understanding BPD is not BCPD? Baltimore is not Baltimore County.

"I have no idea the context of this photo..." Proceeds to put their own narrative on it lmfao. What a time to be alive, everyone so full of ignorance.

The "MFing" crime rate is proof that Baltimore is trash, not that the PD is garbage.

We've seen what happens. People cried about too much police presence in their neighborhoods. So BPD did as they said and lessened patrols. The crime rate then skyrocketed. So then people bitch that BPD isn't doing their jobs. They can't win.

Guys, Facebook isn’t a new source. No social media is. They’re rumor mills.

So the cops in cars are answering the radio, which is 911 calls, and so they can get sent all over a district to chase calls. If you move them to foot, then you decrease the area they can cover. So you would normally give them a foot post of maybe 4-6 blocks. You can't replace the cops in cars with cops on foot because of the nature of the calls.

Also, while its possible to walk from Hampden to Fells, that's me walking on a block twice a day, if I'm walking back and forth. Also, if there's a call for a man with a gun or an armed robbery and I'm 4 blocks away on foot, then I'm gassed when I get there and I'm way late.

You need both is all I'm saying.

First, no such video exists. Second, even if it did, it would be irrelevant. All medical examiners for both the prosecution and defense testified that the injury occurred from a single high impact blow similar to a divers injury. He could not have suffered injury prior to that, as in the video of him fake crying and limping into the wagon he can be seen supporting his own weight on his feet, which he would not have been able to do if he had suffered that injury prior to that point.

Hampden to fells is under an hour and a half walk. If they only made it down and back once if that was their route it would be a very, very slow walk.

I never said we don’t need cars. That would be fucking dumb.

But we need more on foot. Equal representation so we have ones out witnessing and stopping crimes, and one’s responding to calls or sitting around in their cars doing nothing 90% of the time.

Plus, some of them need to exercise. I saw a mothercucker at 7-11 recently who was morbidly obese. It’s an absolute disgrace to allow that to be in uniform. He can’t chase anyone. Probably wouldn’t have been able to pick up a donut if he dropped it.

The actual murder occurred at Stop Two when cops pulled Gray out of the van and threw him back in. In front of numerous eyewitnesses. You're right though--The cops stopped people from filming.

Surprising that none of that came out at trial or was reported by the media. And what happened to your claim about kneeling on his neck? I thought that's how you said it happened? You wouldn't just make something up, would you? Like, say, the police preventing people from filling? How would people have known to film in the first place at stop 2? Do you think people were following the wagon around after Gray was arrested?

I’m interested to hear the take where liberals are right wing?

There is video of the fat cop on top of Gray during the initial arrest.

The cops threatened the witnesses with jail for trying to film stop two. There were eyewitnesses.

This has been reported in the media. It didn't come out at trial because there was no absolutely no desire to actually convict the cops who killed Gray.

This is a poor attempt at outrage porn.

They are. The US doesn’t really have any left wing representation to speak of.

I thought left wing meant “left of center”.

It's no secret that officers had Gray in a leg lace during the arrest. This is nowhere near kneeling on his neck, like you initially claimed.

Source your claim about witnesses threatened with arrest for filming. Good luck, because it didn't happen.

You've already changed your own theory for the "murder", you clearly didn't pay much attention, because both theories have been contracted by with what the medical examiners said.

Please stop making things up.

Yeah but most liberals are right of center. Even Bernie sanders is just barely left of center, maybe even a true centrist.

I just realized that I'm engaging with a new account belonging to the shit head cop who abuses the "reddit cares" function to fuck with people he doesn't like.

Yeah, my 10 year old account is a new one. You caught me. Also I've never done that. I've had plenty of disagreements with plenty of people here and I doubt you'll find someone who claims I did that to them. Yet another lie on your part.

Nice way to try to weasel your way out of admitting your other lies, by the way. Stop trolling.

Zebra stripe hoodie is not generic clothing

Are you taking a global definition of “center”? I think that’s not really a useful metric in the context of American politics.

When talking about American politics, the center is the center of American politics, not the entire world.

Isn't it against Reddit rules to change accounts to get around bans? What is it about cops that makes them have so many issues obeying rules?

Didn’t say that it was. I did not have access to that detail. I was simply providing some information about why describing his clothing might not have been enough. All of which you’d know if you paid attention to the meaning of my comment.

I've never been banned. Meanwhile, trolling is actually against this sub's rules. So keep on deflecting and projecting. Sad that you're the absolute height of the anti-cop crowds.

Maybe you're mislabeling it. I see a bunch of people talking about cesspools. Maybe that's what they were responding to instead of a puddle. 🤔

Ah yes the great investigative journalist Arch Mckown.

The fact that they both have ALPR's mounted on the roof and aren't actively driving around looking for hits upsets me. With the amount of stolen and or wanted suspects I'd constantly be trying to find dangerous felons or those not supposed to be on the road.

I follow a few that live stream on Tiktok. It's almost always the graveyard shift but still all they are doing is sitting and chatting with whoever comes in the room. Fill out some paperwork or drive around....something. If you're going to live stream at least look productive.

>They can't win.

Then maybe they should give up their huge salaries and pensions to people who can

well, that is a good point, but what’s represented in the politics rn is right wing ideas. we have only two parties in control. there are plenty of leftists, only none in power

Yeah that makes sense. A lot of the major issues i see, I don't think the left-right wing paradigm really encapsulates.

If we are taking into account the politics of the entire world, the US and Europe are to the left. What with allowing women to go around unaccompanied and all. If you are only talking about Europe I would invite you to expand your horizons a bit.

People probably thought the C was for City, not County. That was the case for me anyways. Thanks for correcting me, that’s how we learn.

So legit question, do you think the BPD does a good job? Because personally it seems to me that they quiet quit right around the time Mosby brought charges on the Freddie Gray officers. And for the amount of money they make, and the state of lawlessness in the city, that’s sort of a shame. I can’t count the amount of times I see multiple officers chilling in a parking lot, I rarely see them making so much as a traffic stop.

But maybe you have a different experience? If you actually think they’re effective and doing a good job I’d love to hear why?

The issue here is that people by and large considered police presence in their neighborhood a bad thing. There is a middle ground between being absent and being considered problematic. I would call that middle ground ‘good policing.’

I think BPD does the best they can with what they're given. They're tremendously short staffed, have garbage equipment and garbage vehicles.

Officers in Baltimore respond to 20+ calls per shift, EACH. Many of which require reports. When you see two officers sitting next to each other, they may not even be conversing. They're likely writing (or at least starting) a report from the call they just left. Until the next call comes in, before they're done writing the report from the last one.

The vehicle situation also forces more than one officer per vehicle. For your situational awareness, most districts (of which there are 9) have four Sectors. Each sector has four posts. So each shift has at least 16 officers per district. If a sector only has 2 working patrol vehicles, that means two Posts have to ride together... Meaning only one call can be covered at a time for two posts.

It's hard for officers to proactively conduct traffic stops when they're busy working double or triple shootings. You can't expect miracles from overworked and under-supplied employees.

Edit: also worth noting, is they don't get paid shit. Baltimore is one of, if not THE, lowest paying jurisdictions in the area. Another reason why nobody wants to work there.

yeah! idk why people are downvoting you

What the fuck are you talking about. I never said I care that the cops don't do shit. It was just a statement