sllewgh t1_j1748cv wrote
The only possible solution to this problem is to address the root causes of crime, especially poverty. Anything else is just reacting to it.
Matt3989 t1_j18z4jd wrote
That is a generational approach. You still need to react to the situation at hand to get things under control.
It's hard to car jack people from prison.
sllewgh t1_j190d1p wrote
And how's that working out so far? Is it under control?
[looks at thread title]
Matt3989 t1_j190hrj wrote
That's kind of the point... We're not convicting, and when we do, not for long enough for it to make a difference.
sllewgh t1_j191thj wrote
Oooorrrrr... Crime and punishment isn't the solution to begin with, as I said. You can make all the excuses you want, but you can't say that strategy is working.
Matt3989 t1_j191z19 wrote
You're right, let's just have all crime stop.
Problem solved.
sllewgh t1_j192skr wrote
I gave the real solution already, but if pretending I didn't helps you feel good about your reply, go ahead.
Matt3989 t1_j193jm6 wrote
You gave a strategy to reduce crime in the future, not a solution to the current situation.
This crime is happening/has already happened. You saying "Crime isn't the solution to begin with" is obviously true and also not based in reality.
sllewgh t1_j194ct3 wrote
There is no short term solution that works.
Matt3989 t1_j194tv7 wrote
So your 'solution' right now is just to not punish crimes?
sllewgh t1_j1956pd wrote
Just stop replying if you don't have anything to say. Don't make shit up to disagree with.
Matt3989 t1_j1960aj wrote
You don't have a solution, you have a strategy. We still need short term fixes to reduce crime. Those involve putting criminals in jail.
>Dude, just stop replying if you don't have anything to say.
You're the one saying that "we should fix poverty to make crime stop"... No shit, just fix poverty, super easy.
Until poverty is solved, I hope you don't get carjacked.
sllewgh t1_j198cux wrote
I never said it was easy. Again, if you can't respond to what I actually wrote, just stop replying.
Matt3989 t1_j1991uv wrote
I did respond to what you wrote. I told you it was not the 'solution' that you think it is because it is a generational strategy.
You're not going to 'fix poverty' by letting crime run rampant, so you need an immediate solution to address it. Maybe if you have an idea for that then you wouldn't sound like a 14 year old in a Che Guevara shirt.
sllewgh t1_j199pj8 wrote
>I did respond to what you wrote. I told you it was not the 'solution' that you think it is because it is a generational strategy.
It's exactly the solution I think it is. I don't disagree it won't have immediate results, that doesn't mean it isn't the answer. You haven't made any attempt to say it isn't.
> you need an immediate solution to address it.
Right back at you. I haven't heard anything constructive from you on that subject besides doing more of what's already failed.
hypatiaakat t1_j17y6rl wrote
Because Americans still believe that you deserve to be poor, that you just didn't work hard enough. Children don't get to choose their parents or their living situation. I'm sympathetic, but it's a problem that's unsolvable until a critical mass of people have their "come to Jesus" moment about poverty in this country. There are no easy fixes, either.
VacationWooden8283 t1_j179ce5 wrote
How bout addressing the culture of crime in this city
bmore t1_j17af0s wrote
Lol what the fuck does this mean
FrankieRedFlash t1_j18xaq7 wrote
I think they mean the poverty, hopelessness, poor education, lack of jobs, lack of parenting, and glorification of being "tough" over being a good, kind, productive person. Address those things and the crime rate will likely go down. I got no idea how you do it.
bmore t1_j19gb97 wrote
I don't think that's what they mean since that's what OP said and they replied implying OP was wrong and we should do something different.
jabbadarth t1_j186z4k wrote
It's the same bullshit idiots spout about schools and parents. "We just need responsible parents" as if there is some way to magically instill education, responsibility, drive, etc into people.
And that's always in response to we need to spend more on education. So their solution is don't spend any more to improve education or after school programs that will educate children and give them opportunities instead just change the "culture".
hypatiaakat t1_j1890tl wrote
Responsible parents usually means parents who aren't the working poor, who aren't the people who have no choice but to leave kids unattended while they work multiple jobs. Factor in drugs and crime that walk hand in hand with poverty, and that's a recipe for what we have now.
jabbadarth t1_j18aoda wrote
100% and yet morons will constantly point to responsibility and culture as if those are things that can be forced on people regardless of their situation to somehow fix problems when in reality this issue is generations in the making and will take years if not decades to repair through investment, hard work, and giving people opportunity and hope.
If we really invested in kids right now and built up a massive after school program, and mentor programs and built community centers that offered meals and parent support we could see kids flourish. It wouldn't be cheap but in the long run it's a hell of a lot cheaper than what we are paying for cops and crime.
You can see examples of it all over the place where individual schools get an amazing principal that turns an entire community around just by offering support. Issue is we can't rely on individuals to put in all the time needed to that on their own.
https://www.nytimes.com/2015/05/26/us/tangelo-park-orlando-florida.html
First example is just a cash infusion that have hope to families and turned a community around in one generation.
Second example is a single man utilizing his time and skills to fix a failing dangerous school and get buy in from the community at large.
If we took an approach that combined both of these methods and built it out across the city maybe we could start seeing some positive movement away from crime.
sllewgh t1_j17ikbw wrote
Just be brave and say whatever racist shit you really mean by that.
VacationWooden8283 t1_j18xt4x wrote
You could give everyone in Baltimore city a million dollars tomorrow and we could still rack 300 murders next year. Wtf else is there to explain?
completethesestreets t1_j19wcmy wrote
this is not true and you know it
sllewgh t1_j18ymdo wrote
There we go! Proud of you for overcoming your fears and being more straightforward about your racist prejudice. I get why it's shameful, but you don't want to be a moron and a coward, do you?
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